See above.ut him starting this war because he all of a sudden became worried about Iran's nuclear capabilities... well, no, I don't believe that's the reason. Look back at his personal and political history... the likelihood that its for some other reason than what he's saying is quite a lot higher than not. He all of a sudden is honest and above board about everything?? Right... He all of a sudden is worried about another country's ability, to terrorize other countries, in another hemisphere?? Right...
Fair enough. so the simplest analysis of why Trump attacked Iran is that Netanyahu had this decapitation tactic that turned out to work more or less to perfection.
From what we know in the public, that sounds about right.Fair enough. so the simplest analysis of why Trump attacked Iran is that Netanyahu had this decapitation tactic that turned out to work more or less to perfection.
Pushing it off on Netanyahu and removing Trump's agency, though, while ignoring his long-standing animosity towards Iran and his insistence that they should never get a nuke, not to mention our own military assessments Trump must have been presented with, seems either ignorant (no bad motive) or calculated (some bad motive.)
I also don't understand it as political rhetoric--Trump's opponents should want to portray him as the one who made a crappy decision all on his own, not as someone hoodwinked by the sinister Jew. But antisemitic tropes run deep.
Not disagreeing with your points or to minimize our intelligence but Netanyahu made one or two visits to Trump right before the attack and Israel’s intelligence in Iran probably far exceeds ours. I assume the decapitation was based on Israeli knowledge of that congregation being sitting ducks.
As for the Trump under Netanyahu’s thumb theory, I view it simpler than anti-semitism. Israeli hardliners have every intention of dominating their region and there’s little doubt Epstein was long gathering material with which to blackmail any and everyone in his orbit on behalf of Israel. Israel wouldn’t be the first or only govt to gather such material or use it.
The only question is whether or not Epstein had anything on Trump. It’s not like Trump is demanding the files be exposed unredacted (which I would). One more point, we’re not just talking about Trump opponents. MAGA is furious the files haven’t been completely shared in unredacted form.
Yeah, I'm not buying that Epstein theory without proof. Make a good movie, though.Not disagreeing with your points or to minimize our intelligence but Netanyahu made one or two visits to Trump right before the attack and Israel’s intelligence in Iran probably far exceeds ours. I assume the decapitation was based on Israeli knowledge of that congregation being sitting ducks.
As for the Trump under Netanyahu’s thumb theory, I view it simpler than anti-semitism. Israeli hardliners have every intention of dominating their region and there’s little doubt Epstein was long gathering material with which to blackmail any and everyone in his orbit on behalf of Israel. Israel wouldn’t be the first or only govt to gather such material or use it.
The only question is whether or not Epstein had anything on Trump. It’s not like Trump is demanding the files be exposed unredacted (which I would). One more point, we’re not just talking about Trump opponents. MAGA is furious the files haven’t been completely shared in unredacted form.
I also don't understand it as political rhetoric--Trump's opponents should want to portray him as the one who made a crappy decision all on his own, not as someone hoodwinked by the sinister Jew. But antisemitic tropes run deep.
Rubio told us on day 2 exactly how Bibi forced Trump's hand. Is he antisemtic?
From what we know in the public, that sounds about right.Fair enough. so the simplest analysis of why Trump attacked Iran is that Netanyahu had this decapitation tactic that turned out to work more or less to perfection.
Pushing it off on Netanyahu and removing Trump's agency, though, while ignoring his long-standing animosity towards Iran and his insistence that they should never get a nuke, not to mention our own military assessments Trump must have been presented with, seems either ignorant (no bad motive) or calculated (some bad motive.)
I also don't understand it as political rhetoric--Trump's opponents should want to portray him as the one who made a crappy decision all on his own, not as someone hoodwinked by the sinister Jew. But antisemitic tropes run deep.
He wasn't hoodwinked. He was just presented with a fait accompli, and really felt like he had no choice. I think he was wrong, but, whatever, you can see this narrative without assuming antisemitism. Bibi made a move, and we weren't going to dissuade him, so we did what Trump felt we had to do in the circumstance. But Bibi totally made the call. I don't think there's any question there. Doesn't mean he's some "sinister Jew." Just means he was the one in the position to call the shot.
Not disagreeing with your points or to minimize our intelligence but Netanyahu made one or two visits to Trump right before the attack and Israel’s intelligence in Iran probably far exceeds ours. I assume the decapitation was based on Israeli knowledge of that congregation being sitting ducks.
As for the Trump under Netanyahu’s thumb theory, I view it simpler than anti-semitism. Israeli hardliners have every intention of dominating their region and there’s little doubt Epstein was long gathering material with which to blackmail any and everyone in his orbit on behalf of Israel. Israel wouldn’t be the first or only govt to gather such material or use it.
The only question is whether or not Epstein had anything on Trump. It’s not like Trump is demanding the files be exposed unredacted (which I would). One more point, we’re not just talking about Trump opponents. MAGA is furious the files haven’t been completely shared in unredacted form.
Don't be obtuse. If Epstein had dirt on Trump, Biden or Obama would have released the information. They didn't release it because it only made several Democrats/liberals look really bad, namely Bill Gates and Bill Clinton.
Your argument works against Trump also. I don’t pretend to have the answers. Trump is by far the seediest of the three so he gets the least benefit of the doubt.
If and when all of the files, unredacted, are released we will have answers.
Your argument works against Trump also. I don’t pretend to have the answers. Trump is by far the seediest of the three so he gets the least benefit of the doubt.
If and when all of the files, unredacted, are released we will have answers.
No, it doesn't work against Trump. Biden had access to the information. Why didn't he release it if it showed Trump in compromising state like Gates and Clinton?
@snarlcakes Obviously I don’t know. You don’t either. Who’s pretending he does?
Why did Melania lie in her press conference? The whole thing is insidiously shady.
From what we know in the public, that sounds about right.Fair enough. so the simplest analysis of why Trump attacked Iran is that Netanyahu had this decapitation tactic that turned out to work more or less to perfection.
Pushing it off on Netanyahu and removing Trump's agency, though, while ignoring his long-standing animosity towards Iran and his insistence that they should never get a nuke, not to mention our own military assessments Trump must have been presented with, seems either ignorant (no bad motive) or calculated (some bad motive.)
I also don't understand it as political rhetoric--Trump's opponents should want to portray him as the one who made a crappy decision all on his own, not as someone hoodwinked by the sinister Jew. But antisemitic tropes run deep.
He wasn't hoodwinked. He was just presented with a fait accompli, and really felt like he had no choice. I think he was wrong, but, whatever, you can see this narrative without assuming antisemitism. Bibi made a move, and we weren't going to dissuade him, so we did what Trump felt we had to do in the circumstance. But Bibi totally made the call. I don't think there's any question there. Doesn't mean he's some "sinister Jew." Just means he was the one in the position to call the shot.
If Bibi was going to do it no matter what it makes no sense for Trump to assume the risk and take the blame, assuming Trump didn't want to do it already. Bibi would have been doing Trump a favor. If it's a shit show he could just blame it on Bibi.
The only thing that makes logical sense to me is Trump was shown information they were going to get nuclear weapons in the near future and he decided to go to war to try and stop them.
Your argument works against Trump also. I don’t pretend to have the answers. Trump is by far the seediest of the three so he gets the least benefit of the doubt.
If and when all of the files, unredacted, are released we will have answers.
No, it doesn't work against Trump Biden had access to the information. Why didn't he release it if it showed Trump in compromising state like Gates and Clinton?
It absolutely works. If the files only contain damaging information against Clinton and Gates, why didn't Trump release them?
This whole thing works the same on both sides. Clearly, either the files are a scam and don't actually show much of anything, or they implicate so many people on both sides that they've all conspired to never release them. Trying to claim both parties behaved the same way because only one of them was implicated is just plain stupid.
If Bibi was going to do it no matter what it makes no sense for Trump to assume the risk and take the blame, assuming Trump didn't want to do it already.
I agree, but Rubio already told us that it did make sense because Trump was convinced that the Iranian response to Bibi's attack was going to threaten our troops in unacceptable ways, so we were forced to preemptively decimate their response capabilities.