Good to see current tech is getting more efficient AND future tech is getting better.
Yeah, but physics always wins. Efficiency will only get you so far. Big iron is never going to get good mileage, no matter how much tech you throw at it.
oh yeah. Electric is the future. We just aren't quite there yet and the consumer figured that out. Hybrids are the best bet today.
Good to see current tech is getting more efficient AND future tech is getting better.
Yeah, but physics always wins. Efficiency will only get you so far. Big iron is never going to get good mileage, no matter how much tech you throw at it.
oh yeah. Electric is the future. We just aren't quite there yet and the consumer figured that out. Hybrids are the best bet today.
Plug-in hybrids make the most sense to me. Essentially they're EVs with an IC backup.
The Biden Administration offers significant electric vehicle (EV) and clean energy incentives through the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), including up to a$7,500 tax credit for new EVs (with strict North American manufacturing/battery rules), up to $4,000 for used EVs, and tax credits for home charger installation (30% up to $1,000) and other home energy upgrades like solar, heat pumps, and insulation, plus funding for public charging infrastructure
Biden finalizes crackdown on gas cars, forcing more than half of new car sales to be electric by 2030.
You are aware of the steps the Biden administration took that caused gas prices to spike I'm sure.
You were pressured dear. I'm just afraid you weren't perceptive enough to know it.
are you against the government giving industries subsidies and incentives to consumers to buy into those industries as a whole or only when it comes to EVs? What you copy and pasted above is not new or unique to the EV industry.
600 miles isn't nearly enough. I need to be able to drive from IN to FL on a single charge. And the battery needs to be guaranteed to last the life of the car before I'd consider an EV.
Can you drive from IN to FL on a single tank of gas?
No he can’t unless he has aux tanks.
lol. My F150 could do it genius.
An F150 with a large tank has a 500-700 mile range. Jeffersonville IN to Pensacola FL is about 630 miles. You’d be lucky to get there. I don’t know where you live in Indiana but I suggest you hop into the F150 and try getting to Pensacola without getting gas. Should be fun. Try for Disney World.
Merry Christmas.
You could have just said “I was wrong, there are vehicles that can do it without auxiliary tanks.”
I l’d bet your 150 can’t do it. I gave about the shortest option and I don’t think you’d make it. I’d really enjoy to see you try. Start in Bloomington and you’re definitely not making it.
This is what makes you the worst kind of stupid & so enjoyable to prove you wrong yet again. You have posted in this thread:
“No he can’t” without knowing anything about what he drives, where he’s starting, or where he’s going
An F150 range is up to 700 miles
From Jeffersonville to Pensacola is 630 miles
yet are still arguing about it. What a doofus. 🤣
500-700. I’d bet money you couldn’t do it. Odds are ever in my favor. Where do you live in Indiana? Above Seymour your chances become zero. You’d be shitting bricks after 500. Sorry, shitting rocks. 😄 Also, doesn’t dbm live in Indy area. Not a chance. I doubt you have ever proven me wrong, though you won’t say who you were on the old WC, which is a bit cowardly.
Regardless, Merry Christmas.
I see that math is a struggle for you…
I was wrong. A large tanked F150 does about 500 miles if you drive like an old woman, and the hybrid can do about 700. Which is where the 500-700 mile range comes from. You can’t make it from southern Indiana to Northern Florida - about 630 miles. Do you need me to explain this simple math to you? Where do you live in Indiana? Where does dbm live? I can tell you about how short of Florida your trip would be and about where you’d run out of gas. Neither of you can make it, but you can get aux tanks for the old gas guzzler and make it.
Merry Christmas.
The worst kind of stupid.
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I gave you what the actual average range was based on actual real world average gas mileage, not your snapshot which is based on very best conditions and theoretical range in the very best of conditions. You do know that pretty much all models of vehicles advertise mileage that we do not actually get under real-world everyday conditions, right? The average 2025 F-15, only because you chose that one, actually averages 17.7 mpg based on real world data - less for V8 and a bit more for a V6. I'd give you that could possibly get 637.2 miles on a 36-gallon tank if you drive like an old woman, as I suspect you do, and the traffic and road conditions are great. So, Jeffersonville to Pensacola is mathematically possible though very highly unlikely. I'd bet good money you'd never make it from Jeff. However, dbm doesn't live in Jeffersonville and neither do you, which you conveniently leave out of the discussion. Dbm didn't even say what kind of truck he has so you're not even considering what he actually has (or probably doesn't have) - are you dbm? The chances are zero that you'd make it from anywhere north of Jeff.
You posted a snapshot/picture and not a link which was typical. Next time link something that is relevant and not just a snapshot which leaves out the rest of the story.
This discussion really is only accurate if @dbmhoosier tells us where he lives and what kind of truck he has, if he has one.
Why won't you answer the question about who you were on the old WC? That's pretty cowardly. I have a good guess now based on your especially obnoxious posting style.
@mrhighlife I'm against it when it's not a product of careful planning but instead of political activism masquerading as science. Biden didn't have a clue; it was the AOC left pushing it. Artificial influencers.
An F150 with a large tank has a 500-700 mile range. Jeffersonville IN to Pensacola FL is about 630 miles. You’d be lucky to get there. I don’t know where you live in Indiana but I suggest you hop into the F150 and try getting to Pensacola without getting gas. Should be fun. Try for Disney World.
Merry Christmas.
You could have just said “I was wrong, there are vehicles that can do it without auxiliary tanks.”
I l’d bet your 150 can’t do it. I gave about the shortest option and I don’t think you’d make it. I’d really enjoy to see you try. Start in Bloomington and you’re definitely not making it.
This is what makes you the worst kind of stupid & so enjoyable to prove you wrong yet again. You have posted in this thread:
“No he can’t” without knowing anything about what he drives, where he’s starting, or where he’s going
An F150 range is up to 700 miles
From Jeffersonville to Pensacola is 630 miles
yet are still arguing about it. What a doofus. 🤣
I see that math is a struggle for you…
I was wrong. A large tanked F150 does about 500 miles if you drive like an old woman, and the hybrid can do about 700. Which is where the 500-700 mile range comes from. You can’t make it from southern Indiana to Northern Florida - about 630 miles. Do you need me to explain this simple math to you? Where do you live in Indiana? Where does dbm live? I can tell you about how short of Florida your trip would be and about where you’d run out of gas. Neither of you can make it, but you can get aux tanks for the old gas guzzler and make it.
Merry Christmas.
The worst kind of stupid.
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I gave you what the actual average range was based on actual real world average gas mileage, not your snapshot which is based on very best conditions and theoretical range in the very best of conditions. You do know that pretty much all models of vehicles advertise mileage that we do not actually get under real-world everyday conditions, right? The average 2025 F-15, only because you chose that one, actually averages 17.7 mpg based on real world data - less for V8 and a bit more for a V6. I'd give you that could possibly get 637.2 miles on a 36-gallon tank if you drive like an old woman, as I suspect you do, and the traffic and road conditions are great. So, Jeffersonville to Pensacola is mathematically possible though very highly unlikely. I'd bet good money you'd never make it from Jeff. However, dbm doesn't live in Jeffersonville and neither do you, which you conveniently leave out of the discussion. Dbm didn't even say what kind of truck he has so you're not even considering what he actually has (or probably doesn't have) - are you dbm? The chances are zero that you'd make it from anywhere north of Jeff.
You posted a snapshot/picture and not a link which was typical. Next time link something that is relevant and not just a snapshot which leaves out the rest of the story.
This discussion really is only accurate if @dbmhoosier tells us where he lives and what kind of truck he has, if he has one.
Why won't you answer the question about who you were on the old WC? That's pretty cowardly. I have a good guess now based on your especially obnoxious posting style.
Those numbers are aggregates of city & highway driving, include fleet vehicles & work trucks which see towing & idle time & have shorter diff gears. I’ll explain this to you. Vehicles get better mileage driving on the highway than in town. As for the snapshot, I’m not giving you my Ford login but some dealerships may have that posted. For me to be wrong, the gov’t certified highway mileage would need to be off by nearly 30%. Your lack of confidence in the competence of gov’t agencies is warranted given the fact you were given a leadership position(allegedly), but they’re not off by that much. Interstate driving will yield slightly lower numbers, but still well beyond the 18mpg needed to get from my house to Destin, PCB, etc. I know this as fact given my own experience & access to real data.
I’ll remind you, your exact words were “No he can’t unless he has aux tanks” without knowing what he drives, where he is coming from, or where he is going. It can be done in many circumstances.
You’re the worst kind of stupid, someone that thinks they know something but doesn’t. To avoid more embarrassment in the future, you should have all of the necessary info before presenting things as fact(no wonder you didn’t make admiral), but by all means, please continue to piss into the wind & make unfounded assumptions, slapping you around is fun…
@mrhighlife Incidentally I'm new to this website. Topics like this are so long to scroll. There doesn't seem to be many active contributors. Why not just have a Reddit page? It would be easier. And where are the girls?
@mrhighlife Incidentally I'm new to this website. Topics like this are so long to scroll. There doesn't seem to be many active contributors. Why not just have a Reddit page? It would be easier. And where are the girls?
Are you an IU sports fan? Because that's what this site is really about. The Water Cooler board is just an "extra" created by the guys who run this site. It was popular on the old IU sports sites and the new guys carried it over to here. Their are a few women who post regularly but again being a sports site, it's going to lean men pretty heavily. Also... COACH CIG FOR PRESIDENT!
Those numbers are aggregates of city & highway driving, include fleet vehicles & work trucks which see towing & idle time & have shorter diff gears. I’ll explain this to you. Vehicles get better mileage driving on the highway than in town. As for the snapshot, I’m not giving you my Ford login but some dealerships may have that posted. For me to be wrong, the gov’t certified highway mileage would need to be off by nearly 30%. Your lack of confidence in the competence of gov’t agencies is warranted given the fact you were given a leadership position(allegedly), but they’re not off by that much. Interstate driving will yield slightly lower numbers, but still well beyond the 18mpg needed to get from my house to Destin, PCB, etc. I know this as fact given my own experience & access to real data.
I’ll remind you, your exact words were “No he can’t unless he has aux tanks” without knowing what he drives, where he is coming from, or where he is going. It can be done in many circumstances.
You’re the worst kind of stupid, someone that thinks they know something but doesn’t. To avoid more embarrassment in the future, you should have all of the necessary info before presenting things as fact(no wonder you didn’t make admiral), but by all means, please continue to piss into the wind & make unfounded assumptions, slapping you around is fun…
I know exactly what the numbers are and what they mean, dumbass. Dbm lives around Indy to the best of my knowledge and based on what the average pickup can do knowing he doesn't like EVs and Hybrids - NO, he can't get to Pensacola from Indy on a tank of gas. You jumped in to move the goal posts without know what he drives or where he lives. Frankly, I don't believe you drove to PCB from anywhere north of Jeffersonville either. If you're who I think you are, you're a notorious liar. You're too cowardly to say who you were on the old WC, which also tracks with who I think you might be. You're one of those special kinds of stupid that thinks he's won an argument which he's lost, which is hilarious.
@mrhighlife I'm against it when it's not a product of careful planning but instead of political activism masquerading as science. Biden didn't have a clue; it was the AOC left pushing it. Artificial influencers.
"pressure" is overstated and our capitalist society worked itself out on that front.
Another question. Every major country, including the notorious polluters, are investing heavily in EVs and green tech. Do they all have their own AOCs or do you think they see something?
"pressure" is overstated and our capitalist society worked itself out on that front.
No it was artificial demand produced by government pressure by way of threats, subsidies, and credits. Without those things we saw what actual demand looks like, a significant drop off. As for the rest of the world Europe is a piece of shit with zero ingenuity so unimportant by way of comparison. Woke idiots. From immigration policies to all the rest. They are destroying themselves. And China isn't much of a comparison I don't believe because they are actually producing cheap cars, electric and otherwise I believe. Make electric cars super cheap here they will take off. Not because people are climate conscience but because they want to save money and are poor.
@mrhighlife I'm against it when it's not a product of careful planning but instead of political activism masquerading as science. Biden didn't have a clue; it was the AOC left pushing it. Artificial influencers.
"pressure" is overstated and our capitalist society worked itself out on that front.
Another question. Every major country, including the notorious polluters, are investing heavily in EVs and green tech. Do they all have their own AOCs or do you think they see something?
They saw profits. They saw they could capitalize on the virtue signaling “green” crowd even though it doesn’t yet make sense economically. Now that much of the public has figured this out, most major automakers are scaling back their plans &/or production vs what their original projections were. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/12/gm-slow-rolls-ev-aspirations-00401177
@aloha-hoosier Dealerships can't give electric cars away. Just another thing forced on us that was a dumb idea from Beta Dems. The worst is Toyota created some hydrogen thing and you can't even fill it up. They sell for under ten thousand dollars in California.
