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Goat
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

@goat 

For Pete’s sake.  Your questions about forming a team was based on assumed physical athletic abilities of white guys.  We are talking about the assumed thinking skills of an astronaut of different skin colors or sexes.  

I will show my respect for you by not responding to this obvious nonsense.

(Yes, I realize that's backhanded.)

 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 1:37 am
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

@arthur-dent 

I know how language works and I didn’t ignore any thing.  White guy means white guy.  

If I told you I wanted 7 tacos, but not all of them soft shelled tacos with sour cream and beef. You returned with 7 soft shell tacos with sour cream, but 3 were beef, 3 were chicken, and 1 was pork; would you have fulfilled my request? 

You try damn hard to find outrage like this and complain we are splintering. Stop falsely manufacturing outrage and get tacos. Or relearn English because you are fixating only on soft taco sour cream. 

 

 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 1:54 am
CO. Hoosier
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@arthur-dent 

Outrage?  I’ve talked about the liberal Democrat view of race, gender, and politics for years.  I’m not outraged about their view.  I just disagree with it.  Is that okay?  Or in your world is all disagreement outrage?  


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Posted : 04/13/2026 2:20 am
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

@arthur-dent 

Outrage?  I’ve talked about the liberal Democrat view of race, gender, and politics for years.  I’m not outraged about their view.  I just disagree with it.  Is that okay?  Or in your world is all disagreement outrage?  

Answer the taco question to prove you are not taking the English right. That is what makes it outrage.

I don't want all 7 tacos softshell with sour cream and beef. If you get me 7 softshell with sour cream but 3 beef, 3 chicken, 1 pork, have you fulfilled my request without discrimination against soft shells and sour cream?

 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 3:12 am
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My responses up to now were more of a playful bent, as yours often are. Here I’ll be collegial instead.

Posted by: @co-hoosier
I will say it is reasonable and ok to explain specific behaviors of a black guy based on his life experience as a black. It’s unreasonable and wrong to assign certain behaviors and thoughts to a black guy because he is black. I hope you see the difference. Kelly showed he was  camped in the latter.
This is a “good-faith” analysis of two possible interpretations of Kelly’s sentence, the first you consider reasonable and the second, unreasonable. You could magnanimously give Kelly the benefit of your doubt assigning him the first, but instead you choose to cynically impugn him with the second based on your experience with his prior statements and Democrats in general. I get it.  Fair enough!

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This raises a question. Would you say I’m correct in concluding you have a tendency to be magnanimous toward conservative views and cynical toward liberal views?

Not a trick gotcha question. Just a realization on my part. 

 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 7:01 am
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

Posted by: @co-hoosier

@arthur-dent 

I know how language works and I didn’t ignore any thing.  White guy means white guy.  

If I told you I wanted 7 tacos, but not all of them soft shelled tacos with sour cream and beef. You returned with 7 soft shell tacos with sour cream, but 3 were beef, 3 were chicken, and 1 was pork; would you have fulfilled my request? 

You try damn hard to find outrage like this and complain we are splintering. Stop falsely manufacturing outrage and get tacos. Or relearn English because you are fixating only on soft taco sour cream. 

 

 

He very specifically & intentionally injected race into job selection criteria, as has been an agenda of Democrats for the past decade.  To deny this is disingenuous or just flat out dishonest…

 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 7:12 am
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Posted by: @oneeyedundertaker

To deny this is disingenuous or just flat out dishonest…

The guy who only wants one race let in the country gets a vote as to when it is important to mention race.


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Posted : 04/13/2026 8:38 am
CO. Hoosier
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@arthur-dent 

You can have whatever taco you want. If I had a duty to fulfill your order I would.   Other than that, I don’t understand your question.

 

All Kelly said is that we need chicken tacos with white meat and chicken tacos with dark meat on the shuttle.  I disagree and said it doesn’t make any difference whether the chicken tacos have white or dark meat. You defend him.  

Thats it.  


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Posted : 04/13/2026 9:27 am
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@hhlurker 

First, I don’t think there is a reasonable doubt about what Kelly meant as he spoke to the Sharpton’s audience.

Second, of course I agree more with conservative views than liberal ones.  I wouldn’t use the word magnanimous.  There are several policy questions that I agree with the liberal point of view and have said so often on this and previous board.  


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Posted : 04/13/2026 9:36 am
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

All Kelly said is that we need chicken tacos with white meat and chicken tacos with dark meat on the shuttle.  I disagree and said it doesn’t make any difference whether the chicken tacos have white or dark meat. You defend him.  

Thats it.  

You are intentionally obtuse. He listed THREE items, THREE. Math is simple. 3 is not 2 no matter how obtuse you are about it. You can read, or could, you know the taco analogy perfectly. 3 variables, you CAN only change 1 and fit the criteria. 

My middle had twins two Thanksgivings ago. They were premie and had to go to NICU. The girl was out in 24 hours. The boy was in for three days. The nurses told her not to worry, it was wimpy white boy syndrome. You can Google it, it is listed and is real. White boys are weaker at that stage.

We now have wimpy white man syndrome. There are THREE items in a list, TWO would include us, the all-powerful White males. Our feelings are hurt.

if you are so concerned about including race in things, where were you when undertaker was arguing only Whites should be allowed in as immigrants? Where was "treat everyone as individuals" there?

But beyond that, it is racist to think only White males are the best candidates to go into space. 

For all your kvetching, someone made a thread about women talking too much. You didn't jump in with "treat everyone as individuals" there did you? 

You are more hopeless than I thought. Go pray to Trump's new picture, I am done with you. 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 9:51 am
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Posted by: @oneeyedundertaker

Posted by: @arthur-dent

Posted by: @co-hoosier

@arthur-dent 

I know how language works and I didn’t ignore any thing.  White guy means white guy.  

If I told you I wanted 7 tacos, but not all of them soft shelled tacos with sour cream and beef. You returned with 7 soft shell tacos with sour cream, but 3 were beef, 3 were chicken, and 1 was pork; would you have fulfilled my request? 

You try damn hard to find outrage like this and complain we are splintering. Stop falsely manufacturing outrage and get tacos. Or relearn English because you are fixating only on soft taco sour cream. 

 

 

He very specifically & intentionally injected race into job selection criteria, as has been an agenda of Democrats for the past decade.  To deny this is disingenuous or just flat out dishonest…

 

https://twitter.com/monsterhunter45/status/2041211829259796761?s=46

 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 10:02 am
OneEyedUndertaker
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

Posted by: @co-hoosier

All Kelly said is that we need chicken tacos with white meat and chicken tacos with dark meat on the shuttle.  I disagree and said it doesn’t make any difference whether the chicken tacos have white or dark meat. You defend him.  

Thats it.  

You are intentionally obtuse. He listed THREE items, THREE. Math is simple. 3 is not 2 no matter how obtuse you are about it. You can read, or could, you know the taco analogy perfectly. 3 variables, you CAN only change 1 and fit the criteria. 

My middle had twins two Thanksgivings ago. They were premie and had to go to NICU. The girl was out in 24 hours. The boy was in for three days. The nurses told her not to worry, it was wimpy white boy syndrome. You can Google it, it is listed and is real. White boys are weaker at that stage.

We now have wimpy white man syndrome. There are THREE items in a list, TWO would include us, the all-powerful White males. Our feelings are hurt.

if you are so concerned about including race in things, where were you when undertaker was arguing only Whites should be allowed in as immigrants? Where was "treat everyone as individuals" there?

But beyond that, it is racist to think only White males are the best candidates to go into space. 

For all your kvetching, someone made a thread about women talking too much. You didn't jump in with "treat everyone as individuals" there did you? 

You are more hopeless than I thought. Go pray to Trump's new picture, I am done with you. 

You are flat-out lying about my stance on immigration.  You continue to conflate country of origin & religion with color.  I didn’t have you pegged as a liar, but you have proven me wrong.

 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 11:34 am
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Posted by: @littlebitchbuckeye

Great timing.

https://twitter.com/i/status/2043384681257714083

that is the dumbest crock of shit i've seen since mcm/mcsharon was kicked out.    calling for diversity is racist?     sounds like bs a racist would say.

 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 11:43 am
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Aiming for ranges in background /expertise in the crew selected has been a criteria ever since the late Apollo missions, even though it remained a white male program until recently.  Scientists that weren't pilots, such as astronaut geologist Jack Schmitt, allowed deeper discovery.  Later, biologists, chemists, materials scientists were all part of crews. I don't think it is at all a "radical nutcase" point of view to posit that differing life experiences among a crew, as well as different degrees and expertise, also adds to the potential for success. 


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"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

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Posted : 04/13/2026 11:48 am
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Posted by: @shooter
I don't think it is at all a "radical nutcase" point of view to posit that differing life experiences among a crew, as well as different degrees and expertise, also adds to the potential for success.
Of course this is obviously what Kelly was saying. The overlooked absurdity of CoH’s point is that Kelly said “like me.”  As you point out, that doesn’t necessarily preclude seven white males fitting Kelly’s criteria. Using MyM’s taco example, all seven tacos might have a white shell but be entirely unique on the inside. 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 12:06 pm
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