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CO. Hoosier
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@aloha-hoosier 

lol.  Are you saying he doesn’t know what “white guy” means?  I can’t wait to hear his explanation about what a woman is.  


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Posted : 04/12/2026 9:34 pm
CO. Hoosier
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@arthur-dent 

I don’t follow your argument at all if you are trying to explain Kelly.

I will say it is reasonable and ok to explain specific behaviors of a black guy based on his life experience as a black. It’s unreasonable and wrong to assign certain behaviors and thoughts to a black guy because he is black. I hope you see the difference. Kelly showed he was  camped in the latter. 


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Posted : 04/12/2026 9:44 pm
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

@aloha-hoosier 

lol.  Are you saying he doesn’t know what “white guy” means?  I can’t wait to hear his explanation about what a woman is.  

I was at the gym last week, and it just happened to be the monthly hoops gathering of the county bar association. I made a comment that I really didn't think my best option for forming a team was getting together with four other short, white, Toledo-educated estate planners.

I wonder, was I simply finding a way to inject race into the situation and bemoan whiteness, or was it perhaps possible that I was looking at things slightly more holistically?

Careful how you answer. Your reputation for the ability to parse nuance is already on life support.

 


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Posted : 04/12/2026 9:45 pm
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Posted by: @littlebitchbuckeye

Posted by: @hhlurker

Maybe this is why the Right is having a hissy fit about Mark Kelly like a bunch of whining sissies.

Sen. Mark Kelly slams Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner over roles in Trump's Iran talks

Was Kelly similarly critical of the BILLIONS that Obama made available to the genocidal Ayatollah? Were you? Nah. 

AI:

Under President Obama, the U.S. (as part of the multilateral JCPOA or Iran nuclear deal) lifted or waived many nuclear-related sanctions in exchange for Iran curtailing its nuclear program (e.g., reducing uranium stockpile by ~98%, limiting centrifuges). This allowed Iran access to roughly $100 billion (estimates varied; some cited up to $150 billion) in its own frozen overseas assets from oil sales and other holdings that had been restricted by international sanctions.faa01b

Separately, in January 2016 (Implementation Day of the deal), the U.S. settled a decades-old pre-1979 arms sale dispute from the Shah era:

Returned $400 million principal (Iran had paid in advance for military equipment that was never delivered after the 1979 revolution).

Added $1.3 billion in negotiated interest.

Total: $1.7 billion, delivered partly in cash (foreign currencies like Swiss francs and euros on pallets via plane) because sanctions made normal wire transfers difficult.83045c

The timing coincided with the release of several American prisoners/detainees from Iran, leading critics to call it ransom. The Obama administration insisted the settlement was separate (a legal resolution via the Iran-U.S. Claims Tribunal) and not a ransom, though they acknowledged using the delivery timing as leverage. Obama publicly stated the U.S. does not pay ransom for hostages.

Key point: No new U.S. taxpayer dollars were "given"—it was Iran's own frozen money plus a settlement of an old claim. Critics argued the sanctions relief (and cash) was fungible and could indirectly fund Iran's military, proxies, or missiles.

Biden Administration (2021–2025)

The Biden administration did not revive the full JCPOA but issued sanctions waivers and facilitated access to Iranian funds:

In 2023, as part of a prisoner swap (5 Americans released for 5 Iranians held in the U.S.), the U.S. allowed transfer of ~$6 billion in Iranian oil sale proceeds that had been frozen in South Korean banks. The funds went to restricted accounts in Qatar and were supposed to be used only for humanitarian purposes (food, medicine, etc.), overseen by third parties. After the October 7, 2023 Hamas attack on Israel, the U.S. and Qatar restricted further access; reports indicate little to none was actually spent by Iran.

The administration also extended/reissued a sanctions waiver (originally from the Trump era) allowing Iraq to pay Iran for electricity imports. This unlocked access to roughly $10 billion in escrowed funds (Iranian earnings held in Iraq), which could be converted and used more flexibly (including for debt repayment or other purposes). Critics called the combined total ~$16 billion accessible to Iran.

Again, these were not direct U.S. payments or new taxpayer funds—they involved unfreezing or waiving restrictions on Iran's own assets/revenues. The administration emphasized humanitarian limits and necessity (e.g., keeping Iraq's power grid stable). Opponents argued money is fungible, so freeing up billions indirectly supports Iran's regime, IRGC, proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis), and regional activities.

 

That $1.7 billion is less than the regime has made in enhanced oil revenue since the start of Trump's war.  The war has also been a windfall for Russia and is no doubt helping them as they continue to wage war against Ukraine.  

I predict that whatever Trump eventually gets out of this mess will be significantly and objectively less than what Obama got.  And the biggest issue right now, the closure of the Strait, is a development that Trump, apparently and incredibly, never saw coming.   

Iran's regime sucks.  Their military is no match for ours.  Those two things were never in doubt.  But dumbass donny apparently doesn't understand the difference between tactics and strategy, and apparently never looks more than about two weeks ahead.

 


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Posted : 04/12/2026 9:45 pm
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@co-hoosier you ignore the entire quote, it specifically mentioned White, male, NAVY TEST PILOTS. You know how language works. You cannot pull any of those out and have it work. They could be 7 male test pilots, but different races. Or different races, or different genders. And you are smart enough to know that.


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Posted : 04/12/2026 9:49 pm
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Posted by: @zeke4ahs

@jdb all this does is prove what we’ve been saying. The sad thing is, most of the politicians and certainly Elon are smart enough to know how they are playing with everyone. Sadly, some here are not.

I don't follow. What do you mean?

 


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Posted : 04/12/2026 9:53 pm
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

@co-hoosier you ignore the entire quote, it specifically mentioned White, male, NAVY TEST PILOTS. You know how language works. You cannot pull any of those out and have it work. They could be 7 male test pilots, but different races. Or different races, or different genders. And you are smart enough to know that.

Some of the people taking offense are just plain stupid. But I don't think CO.H is stupid, so he's probably just being disingenuous.

 


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Posted : 04/12/2026 9:53 pm
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

Kelly showed he was  camped in the latter. 

That’s your opinion. And it’s wrong. 

 


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Posted : 04/12/2026 11:51 pm
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CO. Hoosier
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Posted by: @goat

I wonder, was I simply finding a way to inject race into the situation and bemoan whiteness, or was it perhaps possible that I was looking at things slightly more holistically?

 

Thinking skills is one thing.  Vertical is a different thing.  


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Posted : 04/13/2026 12:16 am
CO. Hoosier
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@arthur-dent 

I know how language works and I didn’t ignore any thing.  White guy means white guy.  


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Posted : 04/13/2026 12:25 am
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CO. Hoosier
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@hhlurker 

Kelly said what he meant.  No need to defend him.  Millions believe just as he does.  The whole DEI industry rests on that belief.  I think it wrong, and I tried to explain why. millions of others disagree with me.  


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Posted : 04/13/2026 12:35 am
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

Posted by: @goat

I wonder, was I simply finding a way to inject race into the situation and bemoan whiteness, or was it perhaps possible that I was looking at things slightly more holistically?

 

Thinking skills is one thing.  Vertical is a different thing.  

Your post literally says nothing. If you don't have the balls to make a point, why reply?

 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 12:45 am
CO. Hoosier
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@goat 

For Pete’s sake.  Your questions about forming a team was based on assumed physical athletic abilities of white guys.  We are talking about the assumed thinking skills of an astronaut of different skin colors or sexes.  


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Posted : 04/13/2026 1:07 am
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@co-hoosier 

You took his meaning skin deep because of one his words, you made his meaning binary because of one other.  Meanwhile there are countless different cultures in the world from which countless different viewpoints arise. What I’m getting from your explanation is not that he can’t count past one but that you can’t. 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 1:11 am
CO. Hoosier
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@hhlurker 

People like Kelly aren’t that deep. I heard him in the Sharpton show. I remember is illegal order video.  He is a good and consistent Democrat, that’s about the extent of it.  


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Posted : 04/13/2026 1:23 am
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