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Posted by: @snarlcakes

https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1963945994111918259?s=46

Jobs come in below expectations. Overall a pretty shitty report.  A 50 point cut is now on the table.  Also, Trump needs to start thinking about cutting some checks with that new found tariff revenue if the economy slows.  Tariffs are anti-growth, not inflationary and the FED is behind the curve again.  

 

Going back a couple of years to 2023. Where was employment on the upswing?

 

1. Government 

2. Healthcare 

 


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Posted : 09/05/2025 4:33 pm
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@spartans9312 yep.  A best case scenario is the private sector is out pacing the public sector (comparatively to Biden) and job growth has slowed down because of deportations and lack of new illegals and etc.  It's plausible, but I think it's more likely just a slow down because of tariffs being a large tax.  If wage growth stays strong, though, I'll start changing my opinion.


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Topic starter Posted : 09/05/2025 5:38 pm
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@arthur-dent inflation is not a measurement of just one good or several.  It's an aggregate measurement.


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Topic starter Posted : 09/05/2025 5:43 pm
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Posted by: @snarlcakes

@spartans9312 yep.  A best case scenario is the private sector is out pacing the public sector (comparatively to Biden) and job growth has slowed down because of deportations and lack of new illegals and etc.  It's plausible, but I think it's more likely just a slow down because of tariffs being a large tax.  If wage growth stays strong, though, I'll start changing my opinion.

 

The administration has decreased the number of government jobs voluntarily. The cutting back on some of the Medicaid dollars will cut into some of the healthcare jobs

 


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Posted : 09/05/2025 5:51 pm
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@snarlcakes yes, and if several goods go up we have inflation. Corn goes into feed, corn oil, and a ton of snacks and food 

A great example, if OPEC tomorrow decided to shut down oil production, what would happen to oil prices? What would that do to transportation of goods, electricity, cost of plastic?


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Posted : 09/05/2025 6:10 pm
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@arthur-dent I would still have the same amount of money to consume my basket of goods and I would cut back in other areas and those prices would drop.  In order for there to be inflation you have to have money creation from banks or the government.  How is more money being created?


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Topic starter Posted : 09/05/2025 6:40 pm
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@snarlcakes man you have to get off of that.  That’s not the only way.  And you’re presupposing people would cut back. They cut savings. Borrow. Increase credit debt


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Posted : 09/05/2025 6:42 pm
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@mcm666 that's how the stupid system works.  People would eventually run out savings/credit and cut back.  If we're sitting here in 6 months and inflation hasn't went up, can we then agree tariffs aren't inflationary?


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Topic starter Posted : 09/05/2025 7:20 pm
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@snarlcakes I am unsure how you’re catching heat for this. Friedman was saying as much in the 60’s and the decades have proved him right.


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Posted : 09/05/2025 7:26 pm
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@snarlcakes no. I will never believe that’s the sole cause of inflation


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Posted : 09/05/2025 7:34 pm
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@snarlcakes you are locked into one and only one cause. High wage hikes cause inflation, back in the 90s the Fed watched that tightly. Shortages cause inflation. Iowa has a drought, corn and pork will shoot up. Tariffs cause inflation if companies pass on the cost. What do you call it if a company pays 30% and passes it to consumers?

In economics, inflation is a general, sustained increase in the price level of goods and services in an economy over a period of time, leading to a reduction in the purchasing power of moneyThis means that each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services than it did previously. Inflation is typically measured by a price index, such as the Consumer Price Index (CPI), which tracks the percentage change in the cost of a basket of common household goods and services.
 

 
Key Aspects of Inflation
    • General increase in prices:
      Inflation is not about the price of a single product rising, but a widespread, ongoing rise in prices across many goods and services. 

       
  • Reduced purchasing power:
    When prices rise, your money doesn't go as far, meaning you can buy less with the same amount of money than you could before. 

     
  • Measured by price indexes:
    Economic authorities use price indexes, like the CPI, to quantify the extent of inflation by tracking the average change in prices over time. 

     
  • Impacts everyone:
    Inflation affects workers, businesses, lenders, and borrowers, as it influences the cost of living and the value of money. 

     
Common Causes of Inflation
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Posted : 09/05/2025 7:44 pm
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@mcm666 lol.....this is a shitty deal for me then.  Even when I'm right, I'm wrong.  


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Topic starter Posted : 09/05/2025 8:25 pm
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@snarlcakes 🤣🤣


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Posted : 09/05/2025 8:38 pm
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@arthur-dent 

 

No they do not.  As I have stated, just look at Trump's first 3 years:  high wage growth, no inflation growth.

And yes, if every other economic input is static, tariffs will cause inflation.  But they are not.  Specifically, lower energy prices reduce input costs for business.  Less regulation lowers input costs for businesses.  Lower interest rates reduce input costs for businesses.  Lower taxes reduce input costs for businesses.


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Posted : 09/05/2025 9:19 pm
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