Manner of dress. Visible white earpiece. Walkie talkie strapped to his chest. Authoritative manner with the kid he pushes.For the record, I'm very skeptical of the conspiracy theory that the FBI was behind J6 Capitol incursion.
But what's going on here? Is the guy in black not a fed? Is the audio that purports to be of the man in black (have to wait until the end), not real or falsely attributed? This is the kind of stuff that lends itself to conspiracy.
https://twitter.com/m0mmydearest1/status/1971578296250081428
interesting. What makes us think he’s a fed other than the interviewee’s commentary? I’d guess other — but clearly not all or even most — protestors were camera shy? Were all the protestors identified?
I don't know what that thing is in the holder slung over his back.
Again, I don't know, but I see how one could come to that conclusion.
My best guess is that that guy took the glass out in a momentary lapse, and then when he saw he was being filmed came to his senses and pushed the kid away to make sure he didn't go in. But that wouldn't explain the audio heard in the interview, which they don't provide any context for or link to the man in black.
The push made me think it was just some guy. You’d think someone undercover would just go with the flow. Seemed like lots of weekend warriors were out in tactical noir that day. Who knows.
80 people were still unidentified as of Jan 2024. We’ll likely never know who they were as I assume we’ve stopped looking.
Who ever said the digital age was gonna clear a lot of things up was lying.
@mapletom There is nothing honorable or heroic about what these rioting criminals did on J6.
This is the kind of stuff that lends itself to conspiracy.
I think the history of conspiracy theories shows us that anything can lend itself to conspiracy if the conspiracy theorist wants it to.
I don't remember who it was, but someone wrote a few years back that the problem with conspiracy theories is that conspiracies genuinely exist, and they tend to look very much like situations in which conspiracies didn't happen. So when you have limited information, a real conspiracy and a fantasy often look very similar. It's hard for outside observers to make an objective judgment.
The statistical safe conclusion is that the conspiracy theorists are wrong, because they usually are wrong. But they sticky wicket is that they aren't always wrong, so you can't really know when the crazy nutcase you are dismissing is actually on to something.
This is the kind of stuff that lends itself to conspiracy.
I think the history of conspiracy theories shows us that anything can lend itself to conspiracy if the conspiracy theorist wants it to.
I don't remember who it was, but someone wrote a few years back that the problem with conspiracy theories is that conspiracies genuinely exist, and they tend to look very much like situations in which conspiracies didn't happen. So when you have limited information, a real conspiracy and a fantasy often look very similar. It's hard for outside observers to make an objective judgment.
The statistical safe conclusion is that the conspiracy theorists are wrong, because they usually are wrong. But they sticky wicket is that they aren't always wrong, so you can't really know when the crazy nutcase you are dismissing is actually on to something.
My friends and fam who are deep in CTs tend to be awkward around people, are #s people at work. Two very smart and capable accountants come to mind. It’s like they just lack some basic sense of how humans function. Can’t comprehend how hard it would be to keep a secret amongst two dozen people much less hundreds. Don’t get how humans are always double crossing each other and how unlikely that makes a grand conspiracy that could last any meaningful period of time.
Some people just don’t get people.
This is the kind of stuff that lends itself to conspiracy.
I think the history of conspiracy theories shows us that anything can lend itself to conspiracy if the conspiracy theorist wants it to.
I don't remember who it was, but someone wrote a few years back that the problem with conspiracy theories is that conspiracies genuinely exist, and they tend to look very much like situations in which conspiracies didn't happen. So when you have limited information, a real conspiracy and a fantasy often look very similar. It's hard for outside observers to make an objective judgment.
The statistical safe conclusion is that the conspiracy theorists are wrong, because they usually are wrong. But they sticky wicket is that they aren't always wrong, so you can't really know when the crazy nutcase you are dismissing is actually on to something.
My friends and fam who are deep in CTs tend to be awkward around people, are #s people at work. Two very smart and capable accountants come to mind. It’s like they just lack some basic sense of how humans function. Can’t comprehend how hard it would be to keep a secret amongst two dozen people much less hundreds. Don’t get how humans are always double crossing each other and how unlikely that makes a grand conspiracy that could last any meaningful period of time.
Some people just don’t get people.
It's absolutely true that the larger a conspiracy is, the less likely it is to be real. This is why we can be confident the moon landings happened. Even if you think the conspiracy theorists have some interesting points and make sense, you can rest easy in the fact that, if they were faked, we'd know by now, because there's no way the number of people necessary to pull it off could have kept that secret.
Yet, a few years ago a lady at our local after work bar spent 30 minutes trying to convince me and others that the moon landings never happened. She had all the usual thoroughly debunked points down pat.It’s absolutely true that the larger a conspiracy is, the less likely it is to be real. This is why we can be confident the moon landings happened. Even if you think the conspiracy theorists have some interesting points and make sense, you can rest easy in the fact that, if they were faked, we’d know by now, because there’s no way the number of people necessary to pull it off could have kept that secret.
Doesn’t Walt Whitman have that famous line, re-popularized by the show Ted Lasso:
“Be curious, not judgmental”
That’s what I think of people who are dismissive or even straight up rude to others who might question whether they’re getting the full story.
Those who wear around their unquestioning mind like some sort of badge of honor.
Getting from that quote to ‘January 6 was an inside job’ isn’t remotely close to a leap between point A and point B. It’s more like a leap from point A to point Pluto.
Agree, which is why I didn’t make that leap.
Doesn’t Walt Whitman have that famous line, re-popularized by the show Ted Lasso:
“Be curious, not judgmental”
That’s what I think of people who are dismissive or even straight up rude to others who might question whether they’re getting the full story.
Those who wear around their unquestioning mind like some sort of badge of honor.
Pretty sure Whitman was talking about ghey sex there.
Isn’t it just common sense there would be hundreds of undercover agents there? Violence had been rumored for weeks.
@bradstevens It’s all mind blowing. IIRC, Chief Sands asked Pelosi for the National Guard based on social media chatter. Denied. Pipe bombs planted yet no arrest after 5+ years. Police calmly talking with MAGA inside the Capitol, then MAGA attacking police inside. Chants to hang Pence. Busting into offices. WTF!!!
Then trespassers/rioters arrested, tried under a twisted use of 1512 and given more punishment than child molesters.
Now FBI agents there before, during, and after.
With MKUltra, JFK, RFK, MLK, OK City bombing, 9/11, and COVID, no wonder conspiracy theories abound. Too much weird crap to ignore.