Who cares if Pew or Gallup or some survey organization has done it? If they haven't, that means it didn't happen? That's silly. And hypocritical--you don't always rely on those sources on this board. Do you honestly need a Pew poll (or even AI) to show you that settler colonialism has been taught in universities for a long time?For starters, I googled:
”Has pew or Gallup or any other professional survey organization surveyed to what extent national or state curriculum to promote a oppressor oppressed viewpoint on the relationship between Israel and Palestinians and how that has affected the views of young people with respect to the Israeli response to the Hamas attack on October 7”
and the answer was such surveys haven’t been done so even if your assertions 1 and 2 are true, that doesn’t necessarily have any bearing on young people’s opinions on the Israeli conduct of its war against Hamas.
Second, the first article cited in your second post was this:
in which is stated:
“CCC data show several thousand days with pro-Palestinian protest activity at hundreds of U.S. public and private schools since October 7, 2023, including encampments at more than 130 of them. The most common demands at these actions have been calls for an end to genocide in Gaza, for Palestinian liberation, and for schools to disclose and divest from financial ties to Israel and weapons manufacturers. Throughout this eight-month wave, organizers have drawn explicit parallels between their goals and tactics and those of students and campus workers who mobilized against apartheid in South Africa in the 1980s.”
My point here is that I don’t necessarily see the correlation I think you’re seeing between that curriculum and a pro-Hamas stance so much as a pro-Palestinian stance. There’s a difference even if some number of young people aren’t aware of the difference—it’s not about anti-semitism, it’s about being humanitarian. Young people care about all humans.
Regarding your last statement: why do "young people" have so much fire and passion for Palestine after they attacked Israel and butchered and raped people, but not close to the same "car[ing]" over worse situations, like:
- the Russians invading Ukraine,
- deaths in the Syrian Civil War,
- Iran murdering 40,000 of their own protestors in a matter of weeks,
- the Sudan Civil War,
- China's systematic persecution of the Uyghur population,
- or the ongoing Myanmar violence?
The reason is probably because many (not all) of these kids have bought into the oppressor/oppressed and settler colonialism ideology along with general white v. brown people rhetoric because it was taught to them. (I've got news for you, "young people" aren't reading a bunch of settler colonialism, critical, or anti-racism theory outside their assigned reading.) That is how they view too many complicated moral, social, and political issues. So white v. white or brown v. brown violence just doesn't matter to them (by which I mean organizing, protesting, divestiture efforts. etc).
Does that make them antisemitic? No, not necessarily, because they hate Israel because they define them as "white" and part of the West, just like they oppose all other "white" Western societies. So they might just be stupid wokesters, not antisemitic. I'm really not sure which is worse, though.
I hear what you’re saying. You’ve clearly got more in it than I. Why young people get riled up about something like occupy Wall Street is an interesting question. Doesn’t hsppen often.
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Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan.
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Can Massie still get on the Ky ballot as a Libertarian for that congress seat. I doubt he'd want to expend energy into it. He is not an Eh-wipe like Trump. He can reset and Massie for President in 2028 has a nice ring to it.
I hate the irony of the racist bribing Adelson family owning the Dallas Mavericks. Their blackballing of Cuban probably allowed the Luka trade to happen. Hopefully Mavs fans will boo everytime Adelson and Dumont are on the big screen during the games or even better start sell the team chants. The Fire Nico chants got the job done. I'd be curious to know how much they forked out to get Ujiri and Schmitz. Eventually, it is tough to say no and Ujiri just spent 40 mil of their money parting with Kidd.
Kind of crazy that criminal Paxton shutdown FanDuel in the Texas several years ago and Israel first Trump endorsed him. I expect that Paxton will be pushing legalization of gambling in Texas if Trump pushes him thru today's runoff.
Can Massie still get on the Ky ballot as a Libertarian for that congress seat. I doubt he'd want to expend energy into it. He is not an Eh-wipe like Trump. He can reset and Massie for President in 2028 has a nice ring to it.
Massie for Senate has a nice ring to it.
This showed up in our shit talk group chat
Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan.
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@dbmhoosier Isn’t That usually the case? Low IQ voters who believe whatever Trump tells them to. In other words, his base.
Trump deciding to endorse Paxton is really pissing in his own Cheerios. Put aside that Paxton is a seriously ethically compromised individual that will make the Texas race much more competitive..... He's now royally pissed off much of the Senate GOP. Combined with Tillis and Cassidy situation, he no longer even has a functioning majority in the Senate.
Ballroom, Iran, SAVE act, nominations, etc.. he's made himself a lame duck early.. and more enemies than ever that have no political reason to back him.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/20/trump-revenge-midterms-00929255
It was a 2-1 landslide.
https://twitter.com/i/status/2059437151167578538
pro-Hamas stance so much as a pro-Palestinian stance
That's the problem. They are all the same. The same people cheering in the streets on 9/11, 10/7 and claiming not to be aligned with Hamas have you and liberal panty-wearers fooled.
A second problem with AI responses is the source, obviously.
In this first paragraph of your first post above:
”Gemini
The timeline of how the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is framed in schools depends heavily on context, but organized campaigns to view the issue through an oppressor-oppressed framework became prominent on college campuses in the early 2000s and have increasingly influenced K-12 curricula in the last several years. [1]”The source is an op-ed opinion by a Jewish professor at Tufts and Gemini manages to generalize from his anecdotal experience at Tufts to what you read in this paragraph.I haven’t bothered to vet the rest.
Edit:xpost
I think Brad is too quick to draw connections to antisemitism at times, but there is no doubt that the western academic tradition trains students to be pro-Palestinian. Here is the explanation Gemini put together for me, which I mostly agree with. I included my prompts for you. They may seem a little leading, but that's because I went to grad school and studied critical theory, so I already knew what the answer was:
pro-Hamas stance so much as a pro-Palestinian stance
That's the problem. They are all the same. The same people cheering in the streets on 9/11, 10/7 and claiming not to be aligned with Hamas have you and liberal panty-wearers fooled.
No, they aren't. There are a lot of different paths for people to become pro-Palestinian. Only some of them are antisemitic. You're being far too simplistic in your denunciation.
pro-Hamas stance so much as a pro-Palestinian stance
That's the problem. They are all the same. The same people cheering in the streets on 9/11, 10/7 and claiming not to be aligned with Hamas have you and liberal panty-wearers fooled.
No, they aren't. There are a lot of different paths for people to become pro-Palestinian. Only some of them are antisemitic. You're being far too simplistic in your denunciation.
pay attention. It has nothing to do with Jews. It’s about culture and terrorism. There is a definitive reason why Islamic countries don’t take Palestinian refugees or immigrants.
pro-Hamas stance so much as a pro-Palestinian stance
That's the problem. They are all the same. The same people cheering in the streets on 9/11, 10/7 and claiming not to be aligned with Hamas have you and liberal panty-wearers fooled.
No, they aren't. There are a lot of different paths for people to become pro-Palestinian. Only some of them are antisemitic. You're being far too simplistic in your denunciation.
pay attention. It has nothing to do with Jews. It’s about culture and terrorism. There is a definitive reason why Islamic countries don’t take Palestinian refugees or immigrants.
I misunderstood whom you were referencing.
@goat Thx.
In response, I googled:
“for an everyday average student in college universities in the United States what affects their view on the Israel Palestine or Hamas war the most?”
Several responses, one in particular seemed to address what I’m trying to fathom:
“
- Prioritization of Domestic Issues: Despite heavy media coverage, general polling indicates that the Middle East conflict is not a top priority for the everyday American college student. Issues like the economy, the cost of living, and climate change rank much higher. Consequently, a student's view is often a reflection of their general liberal or conservative leaning on broader U.S. politics rather than deep, independent study of Middle Eastern history.”
Jim Joseph Foundation +4
Google also describes the Jim Joseph Foundation as heavily pro-Israel, so I assume the above take isn’t pro-Palestinians.
This aligns to (but doesn’t prove) my hypothesis that most college students are heavily indoctrinated by post-colonialism, but rather just typical American students who aren’t particularly worldly or even political in their thinking.
Here is the referenced Jim Joseph Fdn article: