I think Israel is thinking long term.For sure you're right.oh weird. I never knew that we had the best military in the world by light years. We also have the best fire departments. I should go light my neighbors house on fire to prove that to everyone!!nothing has changed in the middle east. It's the same regime in Iran, Israel is still bombing it's neighbors, and everyone there still hates the US and blames us for all of this. Oh wait, one thing has changed. Iran will now be charging a $2 million toll to pass through the Strait. Something that's never happened. So that's cool.Obviously, Trumps enemies, whether in Iran or in Congress, or in the media took his threats to end Iranian civilization seriously. While Americans yapped about the 25th Amendment, Iran went tits up. The middle east is forever changed.
This is 400 level pattern recognition.
You left out the part their military and leaders have been decimated and the odds of them developing a nuclear bomb anytime soon is basically 0.
Also I didn't leave out anything. Under the ceasefires Iran is keeping their uranium and will not agree to stopping their nuclear program. I suspect you stopped reading after you were triggered by the name "Obama".
You're wrong and just be partisan. Stuff has changed. Iran's military is much weaker and their leadership has been decimated. And the odds of them developing a nuclear weapon are much lower today than they were in February.
And Iran is playing the long game. They'll rebuild with the help of their public and silent allies and rest assured, next time they'll be prepared with all sorts of backup anti-aircraft and eventually some form of nuke or another. What comes around goes around. Geographically Israel remains a sitting duck and Trump will be out of power in three years. Your mileage may vary but Israel's won't. They oughta wanna think long terms as well.
It might not be a winning strategy, but it seems they're pushing all their chips in now, while Trump is in office, to do their best to eliminate Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iranian funding for both.
Cease fires only occur when both (or all) parties find it in their best strategic and tactical interest.Until we get a final agreement and it is public, I don't think we can declare winners and losers.
Trump was demanding unconditional surrender but has now backpeddled to a cease fire. Why?
Israel's iron dome was failing and they want to freely bomb Lebanon. They evidently aren't for a cease fire.
Iran was getting the shit bombed out of them so they at the very least need to put on a show of good faith for their citizens who they're asking to surround their power plants in person as human shields. But they're evidently still stopping ships so they're willing to end the cease fire.
Ultimately, it appears Trump is feeling the pressure to stop the most. Is that a win or a loss for Trump?
Trump's the best thing ever to happen to Netanyahu. Netanyahu forced Trump's hand (Rubio didn't phrase it that way, but that was the essence of what he said) to start the war, and now he's got Trump's blessing for the Lebanon incursion.
Trump has also acted as a vocal defender of Netanyahu against domestic legal actions, labeling the corruption charges against Netanyahu a "witch hunt" and proclaiming that the US would be the country that "saves" Netanyahu. Birds of a feather. They're a couple of crooks.
What Trump gets in return is lavish praise and ego-stroking - - for example, Trump is the first foreign leader to be awarded the Israel Prize, and Netanyahu kisses Trump's ass with public comments about Trump's "decisive leadership" and "bold decision-making."
It takes three to have a threesome and Bibi's only fucks in one direction -- up.https://twitter.com/jackunheard/status/2041890655954243951?s=20
If I'm Trump, I use this to get out as soon as possible. Say Israel can't be controlled right now and get out, shift the blame.
Yeah, Israel is going to fuck this up before it even has a chance.
https://twitter.com/Polymarket/status/2041895578389373416?s=20
What's the justification for bombing Lebanon?
lebanon is not part of Iran? Hezbollah?
Yet Pakistan (who was helping mediate the negotiations) said they were part of the ceasefire.
It works when Mommy chides him...@hurryinghoosiers stop posting
No.
Sorry you can't handle someone posting that you are an idiot..if you want people to believe otherwise, either start using that thing on top of your shoulders or stop posting yourself
With the quibble of inserting Netanyahu and his hard-core warmongering Zionists for Israel (I don't think anywhere close to all Jews agree with Bibi), I'm seeing what you're seeing.I think Israel is thinking long term.For sure you're right.oh weird. I never knew that we had the best military in the world by light years. We also have the best fire departments. I should go light my neighbors house on fire to prove that to everyone!!nothing has changed in the middle east. It's the same regime in Iran, Israel is still bombing it's neighbors, and everyone there still hates the US and blames us for all of this. Oh wait, one thing has changed. Iran will now be charging a $2 million toll to pass through the Strait. Something that's never happened. So that's cool.Obviously, Trumps enemies, whether in Iran or in Congress, or in the media took his threats to end Iranian civilization seriously. While Americans yapped about the 25th Amendment, Iran went tits up. The middle east is forever changed.
This is 400 level pattern recognition.
You left out the part their military and leaders have been decimated and the odds of them developing a nuclear bomb anytime soon is basically 0.
Also I didn't leave out anything. Under the ceasefires Iran is keeping their uranium and will not agree to stopping their nuclear program. I suspect you stopped reading after you were triggered by the name "Obama".
You're wrong and just be partisan. Stuff has changed. Iran's military is much weaker and their leadership has been decimated. And the odds of them developing a nuclear weapon are much lower today than they were in February.
And Iran is playing the long game. They'll rebuild with the help of their public and silent allies and rest assured, next time they'll be prepared with all sorts of backup anti-aircraft and eventually some form of nuke or another. What comes around goes around. Geographically Israel remains a sitting duck and Trump will be out of power in three years. Your mileage may vary but Israel's won't. They oughta wanna think long terms as well.
It might not be a winning strategy, but it seems they're pushing all their chips in now, while Trump is in office, to do their best to eliminate Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iranian funding for both.
Problem is, history tells us it's virtually impossible to carry out a genocide or actually stone-age a civilization, especially one as old, durable and populous as Persia. Iran has vast reserves, an amazing geological fortress and 1000+ miles along the coast above and below Hormuz.
The world economy turns out to be so dependent on oil flowing through the Strait that Iran has advantages and Trump (doubt our military has been caught off guard by any of this) simply didn't realize this was going to go sideways the ways it has. Our military has SUCCEEDED beyond dreams of military veterans and experts AND YET we're at a logger jam. And we've spent a shitload of our weapons and Trump wants another trillion dollars for this fiasco.
THis is Bibi's worst nightmare. He fantasized about what you just described but Iran is no Gaza Strip. Israel is a tiny flat piece of land in the near vicinity of nations that Israel is not only failing to befriend but rather succeeding in murderously killing far out of proportion to October 7. (Remember, the Godfather didn't like retribution out of proportion.) Israel is a sitting duck. The only future question is, will its enemies show mercy?
Netanyahu is sickening. When will the world wake up?Trump needs to cut them off.
Hezbollah is an Iranian backed group, at the same point Lebanon presents a very different problem. The war is against a terrorist group, this makes it an insurgency type of war. One of the best Americans at fighting that style was John Paul Vann. He said the worst weapon in an insurgency was an airplane, the best a knife. He had a rifle as 2nd best. He was saying that I direct weapons kill innocent people whose family and friends now have a reason to join the cause.
TE Lawrence, a great insurgency leader, said that fighting an insurgency was like eating soup with a knife, messy and slow.
I don't know Israel will have it in them to kill everyone in Lebanon, but if their bombs are creating more hatred it may come to that. I don't know the world would watch it happen. But does anyone doubt the concept that the current campaign is creating more people who want to get revenge? Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but sometime?
Fighting government is a little easier, there is someone to surrender. I really do not know, is there one person with Hezbollah who can order a surrender?
I don't know what options Israel had, but DBM's poll should concern Israel. If they lose American support, what support will they have?
I would think there has to be a corollary effect in Iran. While many Iranians hate their regime, getting bombed by uninvited outsiders can re-unite them. If Trump actually starts bombing civilian infrastructure, the US surely become mortal enemies even to those who hate their own regime.
In the US, we united against al Qaeda in a heartbeat and would again if invaded from beyond, even if the invaders said they were freeing us from the other political party.
I was thinking no matter how much I disdain Trump I would demand revenge if some country targeted him.
"With the quibble of inserting Netanyahu and his hard-core warmongering Zionists for Israel (I don't think anywhere close to all Jews agree with Bibi), I'm seeing what you're seeing.
Problem is, history tells us it's virtually impossible to carry out a genocide or actually stone-age a civilization, especially one as old, durable and populous as Persia. Iran has vast reserves, an amazing geological fortress and 1000+ miles along the coast above and below Hormuz.
The world economy turns out to be so dependent on oil flowing through the Strait that Iran has advantages and Trump (doubt our military has been caught off guard by any of this) simply didn't realize this was going to go sideways the ways it has. Our military has SUCCEEDED beyond dreams of military veterans and experts AND YET we're at a logger jam. And we've spent a shitload of our weapons and Trump wants another trillion dollars for this fiasco.
THis is Bibi's worst nightmare. He fantasized about what you just described but Iran is no Gaza Strip. Israel is a tiny flat piece of land in the near vicinity of nations that Israel is not only failing to befriend but rather succeeding in murderously killing far out of proportion to October 7. (Remember, the Godfather didn't like retribution out of proportion.) Israel is a sitting duck. The only future question is, will its enemies show mercy?"
Not sure I'd characterize Israel as a sitting duck. This war may turn out to be a clusterf*ck but a lot has changed in the last 20 years. Israel's interests are more aligned with the Saudis and the other rich Persian Gulf countries now. Anti-Israeli sentiment can still be a useful tool for the Arabs but they're much more interested in finance these days. This could go on for three more months and a working relationship with Israel would still create more value than whatever you get from backing Iran.
I feel like every piece of information that might suggest this isn't the greatest deal ever made by any president ever should be tagged @co-hoosier
https://twitter.com/Polymarket/status/2041895578389373416?s=20
What's the justification for bombing Lebanon?
lebanon is not part of Iran? Hezbollah?
I haven't been in school for a while, but Lebanon is it's own sovereign country, with a reported population of 30-40% being Christian.