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@arthur-dent suppressing what?  i think biden had four years to do something and didn't.  so why are we angry at trump? he actually did do something.  twice.  i also think that if trump was involved in any criminal way as the dems want him to be so badly he would have been indicted long, long ago.  i also think jack scarola would have sued the living shit out of him as he sued epstein.


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Posted : 07/10/2026 1:40 pm
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@bar-down I don't know anything about it. But let's not say Trump went to Congress for it. He was fighting it tooth and nail and ran Massie and MTG out of Congress for them pushing it so hard. He only relented once he knew they had the votes for it, but the WH whipped hard against that law.


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Topic starter Posted : 07/10/2026 1:40 pm
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@twenty okay.  i also trust trump wsa fearful of the court of public opinion.  you know he is in it all over.  he knew epstein. they ran in the same circles.  i worked in palm beach. it's a tiny place.  of course he's going to be all over the files.  guilt by association.  i'm merely pointing out that biden had ways to do things for four years.  and did nothing.  including not a single indictment.  preserving maxwell's appeal isn't a blanket prohibition on doing something.  that's absurd


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Posted : 07/10/2026 1:43 pm
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@bar-down here was an interesting piece, yes from the NYT, but regardless....

 

https://archive.ph/A3pxE


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Topic starter Posted : 07/10/2026 1:48 pm
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You think a guy who bagged $1B profit from a crypto pump and dump scheme coming into office is a good president. You are a hopeless fool. The base of Idiocracy. 

 

@snarlcakes how much do you own?


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Posted : 07/10/2026 1:51 pm
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@aloha-hoosier that's because youre a goose stepper infected with dunning

Exactly, you believe whatever the hell you want regardless of all available evidence to the contrary. LOL!

 


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Posted : 07/10/2026 2:14 pm
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@aloha-hoosier no. i'm like socrates.  i recognize the limits of my own knowledge.  you trudge obliviously


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Posted : 07/10/2026 2:19 pm
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@jdb I now own 748 Trump coins and 74 ape NFTs. Life is good.


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Posted : 07/10/2026 2:39 pm
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@bar-down In November of '25, Congress passed a resolution ordering the release. In December, a court in Florida AND a court in NY both withdrew their opposition to making the files public. This isn't like Iran where Trump was bored one night and thought watching videos of things blowing up would be cool so ordered an attack without anyone's approval, nor like tariffs where he ordered them up and down regardless of anyone's approval. He literally didn't do it until he not only had approval but literally an act of Congress. Why give him so much credit here? It appears 3 million pages are still not released, maybe for good reason, but still not released. Heck, they still haven't interviewed many of the women nor investigated Epstein's NM home. It isn't like this has been a priority for anyone but a couple of Republicans from Congress that Trump then targeted for defeat.


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Posted : 07/10/2026 2:51 pm
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@arthur-dent I don’t give him credit. I’m simply saying there were ample opportunities to do it prior and under Biden there wasn’t a single indictment.  All of this said “releasing the files” isn’t as easy as it sounds. They’re all over. Subject to privacy laws, privileges, ndas, settlements, grand juries blah blah blah.  Personally I don’t care one ounce about the Epstein files.  Is what it is at this point. Many victims paid.  Clearly dirty pool in the 2000s with the sweetheart deal Epstein got.  Blah blah blah. It’s just a political thing to fight about that gets the hyper partisan lunatics that want to scream you protect child rapists as opposed to the you protect child mutilation proponents.  It’s all annoying and ponderous and partisan. Just wheel out a Fing alien, end the wars and the tariffs, and I’ll declare Trump a great president.  As it stands he’s lousy


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Posted : 07/10/2026 3:03 pm
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Posted by: @bradstevens

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Trump has been the best President since Reagan.

That's a joke, right? 

Of course not.  He's better than Obama, Bush, and Biden. You could make an argument that Clinton was better, but he was helped by a GOP Congress that kept him in check.

 

 

Biden and Trump are about equally terrible, in much different ways, but very equal in gutter level history. 

Obama and Bush were both exponentially better than either of those pathetic geriatrics.

Clinton was better than any of them. 

 

That's something shooter would say.  

When Bush left office he took a GOP majority and handed Democrats a supermajority for the first time since who knows.  I don't care to google it.  Obama took his supermajority and quickly lost it after enacting Obamacare, which allowed Trump to win eventually and flipped Congress back to the GOP. Biden was such a disaster it only took him 4 years to f#ck it all up.  And allow Trump to win the popular vote for the first time in a couple decades and Congress.   If the GOP gets trounced in 26 and 28, you'll have argument that Trump deserves to be in the bottom dwellers.  Until then it's a really silly thing to say.

 

 

Only little brains care about the infantile moods of the public. 

 

I'm safe then. I don't care about your emotions. 

 

 

You think a guy who bagged $1B profit from a crypto pump and dump scheme coming into office is a good president. You are a hopeless fool. The base of Idiocracy. 

 

Do you think a corrupt president can ever be "better" than a non-corrupt one?  

You say Bush was exponentially better than Trump and Biden.  I don't think Bush had any real corrupt dealings; Trump obviously has many.  And Bush was, and is, at heart a decent man; Trump is a petty narcissist.

Yet the Bush administration response to 9/11 led to much more damage across the world, to US interests, and to the US economy than anything Trump has done. Would Trump have invaded Iraq in '03? Doubtful, although he probably would have done something else that was chaotic. Plus, if you think Presidents have major responsibilities for the state of the economy, compare when Bush came into office vs. when he left 8 years later. Woof.  So Bush wins on composure, following past institutional norms, and various soft measurements that I, too, think are important (and vastly underrated by Trump supporters).  But on some more hard and objective measures, I think Bush did far, far worse.  

By the way, I think this Iran War is probably the worst policy decision Trump has made (yes, even worse than tariffs) and yet, it will probably be nowhere near as disastrous as Bush's decision to invade and nation build in Iraq.  

 

 

It was costly and chaotic, but toppling Saddam after 9/11 reminded the world what the cost is for attacking the US.  Almost didn't matter Iraq was barely involved in 9/11 -- the other players in the region who had hijackers on the planes got the message.  Saudi Arabia and UAE saw the light, became reliable partners.  The new alignment also brought us together on Iran, which was was pretty well boxed in after Syria fell and Russia pulled back.  Israel also found lots of common ground with neighbors under the new US-led pecking order.  

As crazy as it sounds, and despite all the lives lost and money spent, something huge had to be done.  That was the vibe, and there hasn't been anything like 9/11 since.  George W. will always be alright with me.  

 


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Posted : 07/10/2026 3:40 pm
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Back to the topic. Ceasefire is over and looks like the MOU is completely dead. They'll have to start over and hopefully they can get something better than the dead MOU because it was awful.

US reimposes blockade and steps up strikes as Iran threatens to halt Mideast energy exports

Incidentally, tolls for transiting the Strait of Hormuz were illegal and unacceptable when Iran proposed them and they're illegal and unacceptable when the President proposed them. Fortunately, the President was talked out of that.

Inside the 24-hour sprint to convince Trump to drop his plans to toll Strait of Hormuz


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Posted : 07/15/2026 1:42 pm
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https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0562


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Posted : 07/15/2026 5:50 pm
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Posted by: @snarlcakes

Trump has been the best President since Reagan.

That's a joke, right? 

Of course not.  He's better than Obama, Bush, and Biden. You could make an argument that Clinton was better, but he was helped by a GOP Congress that kept him in check.

 

 

Biden and Trump are about equally terrible, in much different ways, but very equal in gutter level history. 

Obama and Bush were both exponentially better than either of those pathetic geriatrics.

Clinton was better than any of them. 

 

That's something shooter would say.  

When Bush left office he took a GOP majority and handed Democrats a supermajority for the first time since who knows.  I don't care to google it.  Obama took his supermajority and quickly lost it after enacting Obamacare, which allowed Trump to win eventually and flipped Congress back to the GOP. Biden was such a disaster it only took him 4 years to f#ck it all up.  And allow Trump to win the popular vote for the first time in a couple decades and Congress.   If the GOP gets trounced in 26 and 28, you'll have argument that Trump deserves to be in the bottom dwellers.  Until then it's a really silly thing to say.

 

 

Only little brains care about the infantile moods of the public. 

 

I'm safe then. I don't care about your emotions. 

 

 

You think a guy who bagged $1B profit from a crypto pump and dump scheme coming into office is a good president. You are a hopeless fool. The base of Idiocracy. 

 

What’s foolish is thinking that’s what makes him a good or bad President.  

 


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Posted : 07/15/2026 6:51 pm
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