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HurryingHoosiers
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Posted by: @snarlcakes

Posted by: @arthur-dent

@snarlcakes Bush's restraint to not nuke everything after 9/11 was brilliant. His work to build an international coalition was brilliant. His decision to attack the wrong country was bad. 

I certainly don't think Bush was a terrible president. I don't think he saw 9/11 as a reason to settle old scores. I think he believed Iraq having nukes was a critical issue and he really believed they were doing all the things he said they were doing, confirmation bias. 

But damn, he built that coalition for Iraq. Absolutely brilliant foreign policy. 

We're going to disagree on this one. I don't consider conning citizens out of trillions dollars as brilliant foreign policy.  

 

but it is ok when trump does it?

Billions in crypto, a plane bribe from a foriegn country, billions from saudi arabia, stole money from the IRS in has lawsuit where he had control over both parties that were negotiating...

That's all ok because it's Trump though.  

 


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Posted : 07/10/2026 12:28 pm
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Posted by: @hurryinghoosiers

Posted by: @snarlcakes

Posted by: @arthur-dent

@snarlcakes Bush's restraint to not nuke everything after 9/11 was brilliant. His work to build an international coalition was brilliant. His decision to attack the wrong country was bad. 

I certainly don't think Bush was a terrible president. I don't think he saw 9/11 as a reason to settle old scores. I think he believed Iraq having nukes was a critical issue and he really believed they were doing all the things he said they were doing, confirmation bias. 

But damn, he built that coalition for Iraq. Absolutely brilliant foreign policy. 

We're going to disagree on this one. I don't consider conning citizens out of trillions dollars as brilliant foreign policy.  

 

but it is ok when trump does it?

Billions in crypto, a plane bribe from a foriegn country, billions from saudi arabia, stole money from the IRS in has lawsuit where he had control over both parties that were negotiating...

That's all ok because it's Trump though.  

 

Humans freely choosing to spend their own money on crypto is different than governments printing or seizing money from humans and enslaving them. Don't worry, I know you won't understand. 

 


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Posted : 07/10/2026 12:36 pm
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Posted by: @snarlcakes

Humans freely choosing to spend their own money on crypto is different than governments printing or seizing money from humans and enslaving them. Don't worry, I know you won't understand. 

Like government contact payouts 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/28/world/europe/trump-lutnick-sons-kazakhstan.html


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Posted : 07/10/2026 12:39 pm
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

Posted by: @snarlcakes

Humans freely choosing to spend their own money on crypto is different than governments printing or seizing money from humans and enslaving them. Don't worry, I know you won't understand. 

Like government contact payouts 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/28/world/europe/trump-lutnick-sons-kazakhstan.html

It's crony capitalism and bullsh#t. Every single President does it.  As do all governments.  Feel free at any point to join us Bitcoiners in trying to end this evilness.  We need more good people.

 

 


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Posted : 07/10/2026 12:50 pm
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Posted by: @snarlcakes

Posted by: @arthur-dent

Posted by: @snarlcakes

Humans freely choosing to spend their own money on crypto is different than governments printing or seizing money from humans and enslaving them. Don't worry, I know you won't understand. 

Like government contact payouts 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/28/world/europe/trump-lutnick-sons-kazakhstan.html

It's crony capitalism and bullsh#t. Every single President does it.  As do all governments.  Feel free at any point to join us Bitcoiners in trying to end this evilness.  We need more good people.

 

 

 

No they don't. 

 


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Topic starter Posted : 07/10/2026 1:05 pm
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Biden was legally barred from releasing files until the appeals of Trump's 2nd favorite child rapist, Maxwell, were exhausted.

link the court order or statute evidencing same.  not whatever young turks the view woke cult bs you get your news from or whatever goofy piss pits nerd at the college told you.  court order or statute.

I wasn't sure whether he was right on that either, so I Googled "Why weren't the Epstein Files released under Biden?" and you'll see that Shooter seems to be right on this one. Also, it appears that Biden didn't attempt to influence the DoJ one way or the other on the files or in other Justice affairs.

 


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Posted : 07/10/2026 1:16 pm
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@aloha-hoosier link the court order or statute "legally barring" their release.  i don't go by google.  he said they were legally barred.  his words.  i went to law school.  let's see the cite

i see both epstein and maxwell trump got during his term.  biden had four years of the epstein files. not a single indictment.


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Posted : 07/10/2026 1:18 pm
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Posted by: @snarlcakes

Posted by: @arthur-dent

Posted by: @snarlcakes

Humans freely choosing to spend their own money on crypto is different than governments printing or seizing money from humans and enslaving them. Don't worry, I know you won't understand. 

Like government contact payouts 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/28/world/europe/trump-lutnick-sons-kazakhstan.html

It's crony capitalism and bullsh#t. Every single President does it.  As do all governments.  Feel free at any point to join us Bitcoiners in trying to end this evilness.  We need more good people.

 

 

I was involved in a few government contracting actions from writing the requirements to participating in the selection boards before I retired, and the anti-corruption rules are very strict. The process was fair. The way contracting is happening in this administration is disregarding the rules. Like many things in this amazing administration, it's unprecedented.

 


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Posted : 07/10/2026 1:19 pm
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@aloha-hoosier link the court order or statute "legally barring" their release.  i don't go by google.  he said they were legally barred.  his words.  i went to law school.  let's see the cite

No. A few dozen articles are good enough for me and I don't care enough to spend any time searching for legal documents. You can look for that if you want, you went to law school and should know how to do it.

 


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Posted : 07/10/2026 1:22 pm
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@aloha-hoosier a few dozen articles!!! oh my!!!  a citation should be readily available then.  or you don't have a court order or a statute.  just legacy media trash and a chemistry teacher who rides a tricycle.  trump got epstein and maxwell.  biden had the epstein files for four years.  four years!  not a single indictment.


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Posted : 07/10/2026 1:24 pm
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Posted by: @bar-down

@aloha-hoosier link the court order or statute "legally barring" their release.  i don't go by google.  he said they were legally barred.  his words.  i went to law school.  let's see the cite

i see both epstein and maxwell trump got during his term.  biden had four years of the epstein files. not a single indictment.

 

Here is from Gemini .. I won't attest to any of it

 

The following core legal statutes, federal rules, and exemptions directly barred the Department of Justice under the Biden administration from unilaterally releasing the investigative files:
1. Grand Jury Secrecy: Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e)
The foremost legal barrier was Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e). Because federal prosecutors utilized grand juries to indict Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, a vast wealth of the primary evidence, witness testimonies, and subpoenas fell under strict statutory secrecy rules. The executive branch has no unilateral authority to waive grand jury secrecy. Disclosing these files without a specialized court order or an overriding act of Congress is a federal crime. [1, 2, 3]
2. Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Statutory Exemptions
When individuals or media groups filed requests for the files, the DOJ was legally bound by the mandatory withholding provisions of 5 U.S.C. § 552 (FOIA):
  • Exemption 7(A) (Ongoing Law Enforcement Proceedings): This blocks the release of records that could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings. Because Maxwell's case was actively moving through the federal appeals process during the Biden administration, releasing the source investigative files was legally restricted to protect the integrity of the ongoing prosecution. [1]
  • Exemption 7(C) (Unwarranted Invasion of Personal Privacy): This legally mandated the withholding of names, identifiers, and sensitive details of unindicted third parties, witnesses, and individuals mentioned in the files who had not been charged with a crime. [1]
3. Crime Victims' Rights and Child Protection Statutes
A significant portion of the internal files contained identifying data, testimonies, and evidence regarding underage victims of sexual abuse. The DOJ was legally bound by strict victim privacy privacy frameworks, including provisions found under 18 U.S.C. §§ 2252–2252A and 2256, which criminalize the distribution of materials that exploit minors or violate the protected anonymity of sexual assault victims. [1, 2]
How the Barrier Was Broken
Because these laws bound the executive branch, it required the legislative branch to intervene. Congress passed the Epstein Files Transparency Act (Public Law 119-38). Signed into law on November 19, 2025, this specific statute legally superseded previous Rule 6(e) restrictions, creating a mandatory statutory directive that forced the Department of Justice to publish the millions of pages of unclassified investigative materials. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

If you want to look closer into how these materials are being handled today, I can provide information on:
  • The oversight restrictions placed on the unredacted files currently being reviewed by members of Congress.
  • How the DOJ navigated the redaction of victim identities during the massive 3.5-million-page dump. [1, 2, 3]

 


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Topic starter Posted : 07/10/2026 1:26 pm
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Posted by: @bar-down

@aloha-hoosier that's what i figured.  you don't have a court order or a statute.  just legacy media trash and a chemistry teacher who rides a tricycle.  trump got epstein and maxwell.  biden had the epstein files for four years.  four years!  not a single indictment.

Uh huh. When dozens of articles say something and cite sources, I tend to believe they're likely correct. You believe whatever the hell you want, damn all sources that say otherwise. It's what you do.

 


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Posted : 07/10/2026 1:27 pm
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@twenty yeah i'm not buying that. and i'm not attacking you.  to the extent it related to maxwell's appeal that didn't preclude charging other bad actors.  there wasn't a single grand jury brought in during biden's entire admin.  the other stuff would be redacted and protected no different htan now.  and biden could have gone to congress just as trump did via the transparency act


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Posted : 07/10/2026 1:36 pm
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@bar-down Whose name appears in the Epstein files the most, excepting Epstein (and frankly, I don't know, maybe more than Epstein)? Just curious why you think Biden was suppressing that.


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Posted : 07/10/2026 1:38 pm
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@aloha-hoosier that's because youre a goose stepper infected with dunning


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