A dose of realism might help.
First we are dealing with Islam, not Iran. Specificly Shiite Islam.
Second we cannot ever undo the knowledge about how to build a bomb. This isn’t 1940 when nobody knew how to do it. The materials would be readily available on the black market.
Third, there will always be a cadre of Islamists who know how to build one.
Fourth, this is one reason why aligning the Abraham accord countries, and expanding them is an absolutely brilliant Trump move. Hope he can pull this off.
Fifth, We can make the consequences of building a bomb unacceptable. See number 4
Sixth, we can offer incentives to not ever build a bomb. This point is squishy, see point 1. But not as squishy as it was during the JCPOA because of the bombing campaign and the hoped Abraham accord nation unification.
Finally, old Europe has made itself irrelevant.
I just need someone to pick apart those points.
i don't think you really do. it returns to where we were. sometimes that's the best you get and buy more time and kick the can for a while. is what it is. you're basically dealing with aliens. people who don't think like we do. so you do this or nuke em? wipe em off the planet right? so we chose the former again. it's like a solid mediation: everyone walks away unhappy
If the leak IUCrazy linked above is accurate, we are the only side walking away unhappy.
It gives them more than the JCPOA. Even the best agreements appear to just be going back to that. This whole thing was a big mistake.
The honest summary: The Obama administration's own officials — including Secretary Kerry and Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes — acknowledged in public statements that the deal did not permanently block Iran's path to a weapon, and that the question of what happened after the sunset clauses was genuinely open. The argument was always that managed, verified delay was better than the available alternatives[BS's emphasis here]— not that the problem was solved.
So once again, the perfect is the enemy of the good.
What was gained by tearing up the JCPOA? What has happened in the intervening years?
The Abraham accords were Trump’s singular opportunity to earn his dearly coveted Nobel peace prize. Screwed that up when he show his true colors in Iran.
If the leak IUCrazy linked above is accurate, we are the only side walking away unhappy.
It gives them more than the JCPOA. Even the best agreements appear to just be going back to that. This whole thing was a big mistake.
If Trump doesn't realize that and no one has the nerve to tell him, then the peace deal might have a chance.
This most recent version of the peace deal might’ve gone through if Trump hadn’t gotten so much pushback. Call it worse than Obama‘s deal and Trump will never sign it.
It gives them more than the JCPOA. Even the best agreements appear to just be going back to that. This whole thing was a big mistake.
Not possible to go back to the JCPOA. Too much has changed.
It gives them more than the JCPOA. Even the best agreements appear to just be going back to that. This whole thing was a big mistake.
Not possible to go back to the JCPOA. Too much has changed.
LOL. Like Iran restarting their enrichment after Trump tore up the agreement.
@unclemark inevitable tho right? didn't hte agreement have sunset provisions?
@unclemark inevitable tho right? didn't hte agreement have sunset provisions?
It did. But they didn't preclude newer, better agreements. Trump couldn't abide leaving the Obama deal in place, and Bibi couldn't abide Iran being unfettered as a result. So here we are.
Midnight Hammer. Those bombs and that mission had been designed and planned for more than a decade.
Midnight Hammer. Those bombs and that mission had been designed and planned for more than a decade.
So a contingency if/when Iran didn't limit it's nuclear development... which it didn't after Trump tore up the agreement.