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BradStevens
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

@bradstevens listen to it? It looks like an hour long. I never knew Evelyn. Woods had a speed listening class.

You've got the time. Unless you’re using it to read Crime and Punishment ?

 


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Topic starter Posted : 08/12/2025 11:50 am
BradStevens
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Posted by: @goat

But, no, I don't think being born in flight would count.

Apparently it does!

 


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Topic starter Posted : 08/12/2025 11:52 am
BradStevens
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

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Posted by: @unclemark

Posted by: @dbmhoosier

Everyone knows it applied to freed slaves and has zero application to people illegally coming over the border.  Everyone. 

No one is claiming it applies to those people.

 

Sure you are.  You saying they can sneak across the border, pop out a baby, and be rewarded with their anchor baby getting citizenship.   The 14th Amendment doesn't apply if to you if your parents came here illegally. 


 

 

 

Bet your great great great grandparents came here illegally. 

 

What on earth would compel you to believe that? Is your belief that American immigration has always been a free for all?

 

Leftists are so dumb. 

 

I believe until the 1880s, anyone could show up. Until the 1920s anyone not Chinese could just show up. Is that wrong?

 

Which is why, it goes without saying, hickory was wrong yet again.  

 


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Topic starter Posted : 08/12/2025 11:54 am
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dbmhoosier
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Why was the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 needed?

And what is this?

https://twitter.com/SBJDFW/status/1953829202211262655?t=eN3m1857Fg3NkNGWErz_3A&s=19


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Posted : 08/12/2025 12:30 pm
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@bradstevens double wrong correct? As he blabbers about overturning birthright citizenship being applied ex post facto?


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Posted : 08/12/2025 12:33 pm
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Posted by: @dbmhoosier

Why was the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 needed?

And what is this?

https://twitter.com/SBJDFW/status/1953829202211262655?t=eN3m1857Fg3NkNGWErz_3A&s=19

Tell me exactly what the words say. Not what others say, what are the exact words.

A lot of people in the 1800s just arrived. Many didn't necessarily become citizens. Their children were considered such. If not, there is a chance and other MAGA folk are here illegally. Can you prove that so where in history 2 of your ancestors were not citizens when a more recent ancestor was born?

As to the citizenship act, easy to explain. Our ancestors were racist SoBs that didn't view Natives as human.

 

 

 


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Posted : 08/12/2025 1:37 pm
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@arthur-dent “just arrived”. What does that mean? There were still ports of entry. People were checked for disease and subject to the Naturalizations Act.

 

Yes the immigration policy was permissive, as such people didn’t try to sneak in. 

What is this world you’re imagining where people showed up on shore and wandered west?

 


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Posted : 08/12/2025 2:10 pm
Shooter
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My great great great grandmother got on a boat in Germany at age 17 bound for New Orleans, It was 1871. She had no papers other than birth certificate and a letter stating that she had relatives living in Indiana. She took a riverboat up to Louisville and then somehow found her way to Shelbyville, got married soo after, and began popping out anchor babies to till the soil.

I don't think that she faced MAGA-type hatred, but I'm sure her life was no piece of cake. By all accounts she was proud to become an American.

Another ancestor of mine came from ireland, another from England, and another from Scotland. Basically, they all showed up, worked hard, and made the American dream for themselves. 


"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

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Posted : 08/12/2025 2:43 pm
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@shooter those weren’t anchor babies. Learn your history.


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Posted : 08/12/2025 2:50 pm
Shooter
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Fair enough, and MANY THANKS!

correction: she started popping out US citizens, before she herself became one.


"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

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Posted : 08/12/2025 2:53 pm
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@carramrod do you find it exhausting having to constantly educate posters?  it's not like you'll ever be appreciated, much less given a thank you.


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Posted : 08/12/2025 3:03 pm
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

As to the citizenship act, easy to explain. Our ancestors were racist SoBs that didn’t view Natives as human.

That's not what it was. The founders designed a system in which the Indian tribes were considered independent nations, but under a special type of federal authority. That's why they weren't citizens. They can't be compared to immigrants from a legal basis at all, because they were constitutionally a special case.


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Posted : 08/12/2025 3:24 pm
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BradStevens
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Posted by: @dbmhoosier

Why was the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 needed?

And what is this?

https://twitter.com/SBJDFW/status/1953829202211262655?t=eN3m1857Fg3NkNGWErz_3A&s=19

Someone who claims to be an originalist citing legislative intent via floor speeches?  LOL.  

https://www.yalejreg.com/nc/in-his-advocacy-against-legislative-history-did-scalia-get-half-a-loaf-or-none-at-all-by-stuart-benjamin/

 


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Topic starter Posted : 08/12/2025 4:12 pm
UncleMark
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Posted by: @goat

Posted by: @arthur-dent

As to the citizenship act, easy to explain. Our ancestors were racist SoBs that didn’t view Natives as human.

That's not what it was. The founders designed a system in which the Indian tribes were considered independent nations, but under a special type of federal authority. That's why they weren't citizens. They can't be compared to immigrants from a legal basis at all, because they were constitutionally a special case.

Not to mention they were here long before any of us Europeans. 

 


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Posted : 08/12/2025 4:46 pm
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Posted by: @bradstevens

Posted by: @dbmhoosier

Why was the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 needed?

And what is this?

https://twitter.com/SBJDFW/status/1953829202211262655?t=eN3m1857Fg3NkNGWErz_3A&s=19

Someone who claims to be an originalist citing legislative intent via floor speeches?  LOL.  

https://www.yalejreg.com/nc/in-his-advocacy-against-legislative-history-did-scalia-get-half-a-loaf-or-none-at-all-by-stuart-benjamin/

 

Original intent is a key part of the decision making process for originalists.

 


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Posted : 08/12/2025 4:56 pm
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