True but I think you are begging the question the link discusses aspects of human intelligence that AI can never perform
@co-hoosier That's not begging the question. It's hand-wavingly dismissing its relevance.
So, if true, goodbye capitalism and socialism? Then why is Elon so triggered by DSA?
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Only billionaires will be able to benefit from AI and robots.
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So, if true, goodbye capitalism and socialism? Then why is Elon so triggered by DSA?
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Only billionaires will be able to benefit from AI and robots.
I think they will use UBI to mask it all in a veneer of capitalism+welfare.
Sam Altman scares me 100x more than Elon. Like in an evil villain from a bad 90's movie kind of way.So, if true, goodbye capitalism and socialism? Then why is Elon so triggered by DSA?
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Only billionaires will be able to benefit from AI and robots.
I think they will use UBI to mask it all in a veneer of capitalism+welfare.
@bulk-vh I think their claims are largely bullshit. Made to manipulate valuations
How long have I been fucking telling you people?
I honestly can't tell if that Sam Altman related tweet is supposed to be a joke or not.
I'm not sure the state of robotics is advanced enough for this.How long have I been fucking telling you people?
I could see driving being automated within 20 years. But house/apartment building? Mining of resources or lumber production to make materials to build houses (with electrical, plumbing, etc.)? A lot more needs to happen.
But this stuff seems to be on the horizon. I'd guess maybe a hundred years or so, though.
So, if true, goodbye capitalism and socialism? Then why is Elon so triggered by DSA?
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Only billionaires will be able to benefit from AI and robots.
Will we care once the sexbots are cheap enough?
I'm not sure the state of robotics is advanced enough for this.How long have I been fucking telling you people?
I could see driving being automated within 20 years. But house/apartment building? Mining of resources or lumber production to make materials to build houses (with electrical, plumbing, etc.)? A lot more needs to happen.
But this stuff seems to be on the horizon. I'd guess maybe a hundred years or so, though.
Thoughts off the top of my head...
The robotics end of things is really no different than what we've been dealing with since the beginning of the industrial revolution. Someone invents a tool that allows us to do a job more efficiently, "more efficiently" generally being defined as something like "equal or greater production with less human labor input." And it tends to happen piecemeal across industries, I think, based simply on whether or not a particular solution to a particular job is cost-effective. Developments in loom technology centuries ago put many weavers out of work, just as kiosks today have put many fast food cashiers out of work. Where we still need people are jobs where 1) the automation is more expensive than the human equivalent (even though your cashier is now a robot, your burger was still probably flipped by a person, because those burger cooking machines are still damn expensive), 2) there is some human aspect to the job that cannot yet be automated or replicated (hence my joke before about bartenders and hookers), or 3) regulations effectively force human participation on the industry (e.g., the slow implementation of driverless taxis and cargo transportation).
Where AI throws a wrench in the whole thing is that it expands the potential venue for this historical trend to many more contexts. So now, not only can the cashier and cook (if prices come down) be automated, but the guy who plans the menu can, too - or at least, with the help of AI, far fewer humans need to be paid to accomplish the same output. Stuff we never thought of automating before can now easily be done. @socks-shorts-1-2-3-swish earlier in the thread described (he thought) a doctor being merely assisted by AI, but in actuality, described the AI doing the doctor's job, and the doctor simply playing the role of rent-seeking middle man. Economic reality will force many of these middle men out in the long run.
I don't know how long it will take for all jobs to disappear - probably a long time. But the need for human labor will decrease exponentially, and at some point, it will cross a line where it becomes impossible for the economy to find new things for all these now unnecessary former laborers to do. That's when society will have some decisions to make.
@goat Asia. Asian workers. Day in the life. You can see so much of this already in play over there, particularly restaurants
Imagine if you Will Indy 500 cars designed, built and driven by AI. All qualifying times would be identical assuming constant weather conditions.. Human beings won’t accept this. Humans require differences in everything. Striving for better outcomes and lives gives us purpose. UBI, same AI houses, Sme AI food and clothes etc will end life. In addition to what I mentioned in the OP, this is another reason why ubiquitous AI will never happen.