yes, I replied to the earlier post before reading other posts that followed. It happens, dickhead
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@bradstevens One way to get to Mars is through the moon. The moon has water in ice at the south pole. That water can be converted to hydrogen and oxygen, meaning not nearly as much needs lifted out of our much larger gravity. This is where the space race comes in, the laws regarding space exploration are nonexistent. That means there is a certain race with China to get to that ice first. Look up the book "A City on Mars: Can We Settle Space, Should We Settle Space, and Have We Really Thought This Through?" by Zach Weinersmith. He details the problems getting to Mars and how the moon solves some of them.
This time the moon isn't the final destination.
Besides, without going to the moon, Space 1999 cannot happen... :>).
Elon plans to colonize Mars in his lifetime.
Says Earth law will have no jurisdiction on Mars.
He’ll change his mind when he realizes XAI + his enormous wealth will enable him to dominate all the warm and fuzzy AI nerds and take over the world. Politicians will fight to bury their noses deep inside his lava canal.@bradstevens One way to get to Mars is through the moon. The moon has water in ice at the south pole. That water can be converted to hydrogen and oxygen, meaning not nearly as much needs lifted out of our much larger gravity. This is where the space race comes in, the laws regarding space exploration are nonexistent. That means there is a certain race with China to get to that ice first. Look up the book "A City on Mars: Can We Settle Space, Should We Settle Space, and Have We Really Thought This Through?" by Zach Weinersmith. He details the problems getting to Mars and how the moon solves some of them.
This time the moon isn't the final destination.
Besides, without going to the moon, Space 1999 cannot happen... :>).
Elon plans to colonize Mars in his lifetime.
Says Earth law will have no jurisdiction on Mars.
yes, I replied to the earlier post before reading other posts that followed. It happens, dickhead
Instead of being so eager to show people how much you think you know, just go with the flow, read the thread, then post.
Elon plans to colonize Mars in his lifetime.
Says Earth law will have no jurisdiction on Mars.
I know Musk wants to be a James Bond supervillain, but it just is not going to be possible to colonize Mars in his lifetime. The known unknowns are daunting, the unknown unknowns are sure to exist.
The known knowns now make it practically impossible.Elon plans to colonize Mars in his lifetime.
Says Earth law will have no jurisdiction on Mars.
I know Musk wants to be a James Bond supervillain, but it just is not going to be possible to colonize Mars in his lifetime. The known unknowns are daunting, the unknown unknowns are sure to exist.
We aren't changing Mars's gravity or swapping out the entire planet's surface dust and dirt.
The known knowns now make it practically impossible.
We aren't changing Mars's gravity or swapping out the entire planet's surface dust and dirt.
The dirt is a problem. There is a somewhat feasible solution to other issues. If a magnet, about 1/4 the strength of CERN, were placed at Mars' L1, it would block solar wind and radiation. Blocking the wind might allow the atmosphere to grow back toward where it was. It may not, literare is mixed. But there are other solutions, redirecting asteroids with certain chemicals into Mars.
Now, it is not feasible today. It won't be in my lifetime. But look how fast tech advances. I wouldn't say it will be impossible in 50 years.
That doesn't solve the soil, but knocking out atmosphere and radiation is a really good start. There are theories that bacteria and lichens could fix the soil, but it would be a long process. In the short term, earth soil would have to be used. That isn't economical. So the best we can hope for for a long time is an antarctic station on Mars growing a small amount of food (maybe) and a lot of MRE's. But setting up next to ice would solve the water problem, another critical issue.
As we tackle these problems, we almost certainly will discover benefits to us here on earth. I know you have seen the lists of inventions attributed to manned flight. There is no reason to think that will stop today.
What benefits are derived from having humans there that couldn’t or wouldn’t be derived from advanced robotics?The known knowns now make it practically impossible.
We aren't changing Mars's gravity or swapping out the entire planet's surface dust and dirt.
The dirt is a problem. There is a somewhat feasible solution to other issues. If a magnet, about 1/4 the strength of CERN, were placed at Mars' L1, it would block solar wind and radiation. Blocking the wind might allow the atmosphere to grow back toward where it was. It may not, literare is mixed. But there are other solutions, redirecting asteroids with certain chemicals into Mars.
Now, it is not feasible today. It won't be in my lifetime. But look how fast tech advances. I wouldn't say it will be impossible in 50 years.
That doesn't solve the soil, but knocking out atmosphere and radiation is a really good start. There are theories that bacteria and lichens could fix the soil, but it would be a long process. In the short term, earth soil would have to be used. That isn't economical. So the best we can hope for for a long time is an antarctic station on Mars growing a small amount of food (maybe) and a lot of MRE's. But setting up next to ice would solve the water problem, another critical issue.
As we tackle these problems, we almost certainly will discover benefits to us here on earth. I know you have seen the lists of inventions attributed to manned flight. There is no reason to think that will stop today.
What benefits are derived from having humans there that couldn’t or wouldn’t be derived from advanced robotics?
Technology in just about everything. All the challenges of getting humans there requires tech. At its heart it is a massive R&D project.
Unity. I saw conservatives and liberals jointly excited. I recall that from Apollo 11, seemingly everyone was proud of that one giant step. We have discussed here what can bring America back together. I suggest an American standing on the moon.
Interest in science. I may be alone but we have too many top minds going into business. I have seen the mathlete kids here go not into science but Kelley because that is the money. Maybe the wonder of space exploration will get some of those kids finding that a better career.
Humans can still do more. I have a physics prof gaming buddy mention this to me. Robots do some things great, but that unknown unknown is a huge problem for them. Mars Rover Opportunity died because it couldn't clear the dust from its solar panels. Guess what a human can easily do. And Mars dust is a known.
Technology…At its heart it is a massive R&D project.All makes sense. Some thoughts.Unity. I saw conservatives and liberals jointly excited…
Interest in science…Maybe the wonder of space exploration will get some of those kids finding that a better career.
Humans can still do more.
AI and robotics are already attracting vast interest from young people and arguably the brightest. For both scientific and financial reasons.
AI is going to advance light years in the next few years. This could easily lead to radical advances in robotics and understanding or predicting unknowns in the Mars project, among other stuff.
“Humans can still do more” on earth. At the very least it strikes me that the fastest path to humans on Mars goes through robotics first on Mars. Robotics strikes me as precisely one of the areas of technological advances you’re suggesting.
This ChatGPT prompt yielded a lot of interesting ideas:
I’m more interested in plans to use AI to uncover unknown unknown so that there are fewer of them using scientific knowledge of the universe.
That was after asking about the Mars dust failure. Tons of data on ongoing research and solutions.
@hhlurker we have been sending robots. I think our human landing is going to be pushed back from our current ETA. I suspect many more robots will go before humans do more than stay a day or two. All these missions will be to learn more of the unknown unknowns.
https://twitter.com/DschlopesIsBack/status/2040311285334561170?s=20
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What about the gravity?The known knowns now make it practically impossible.
We aren't changing Mars's gravity or swapping out the entire planet's surface dust and dirt.
The dirt is a problem. There is a somewhat feasible solution to other issues. If a magnet, about 1/4 the strength of CERN, were placed at Mars' L1, it would block solar wind and radiation. Blocking the wind might allow the atmosphere to grow back toward where it was. It may not, literare is mixed. But there are other solutions, redirecting asteroids with certain chemicals into Mars.
Now, it is not feasible today. It won't be in my lifetime. But look how fast tech advances. I wouldn't say it will be impossible in 50 years.
That doesn't solve the soil, but knocking out atmosphere and radiation is a really good start. There are theories that bacteria and lichens could fix the soil, but it would be a long process. In the short term, earth soil would have to be used. That isn't economical. So the best we can hope for for a long time is an antarctic station on Mars growing a small amount of food (maybe) and a lot of MRE's. But setting up next to ice would solve the water problem, another critical issue.
As we tackle these problems, we almost certainly will discover benefits to us here on earth. I know you have seen the lists of inventions attributed to manned flight. There is no reason to think that will stop today.
https://slate.com/technology/2026/03/elon-musk-mars-space-travel-health-muscle-atrophy.html