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But partisan politics appear to play a role.

If that were the case, you would expect different results among UK and other European responses. There is political partisanship across the pond, and it's growing at the same clip or faster than it is here. You just aren't hearing about it because the MSM refuses to acknowledge the shit show that mass Islamic immigration has caused.

I don't put that much stock in this type of stuff. To be frank, when was the last time educated, working people voted in these polls? I haven't and neither have any of my friends and family, to my knowledge. So, who the hell is the data actually being collected from?

I don't know how many times I've heard, "they didn't ask me!" And, "they didn't ask anyone I know so these polls must be bullshit!" Always when they don't like the results of the polls and pretty much never when they like the results. Look at dbm every time he sees a poll that's somewhat positive for the President. Frankly, this attitude about polls is one of the things that divide us. Not believing the polls or dismissing uncomfortable news as "fake news" is part of our problem. People should know how polls work, how they sample the demographic groups and how they tweak the models as reality changes.

Public Opinion Polling Basics | Pew Research Center

 

My question was - is any polling relevant? If nobody I know has been asked any of these types of questions in recent years, what good are they? That means an entire subset of people is excluded from the results.

Are people who actually respond to spam texts and calls really the right people to rely upon from a data perspective? There is a nonresponsive weighting and statistical game that pollsters have to play to try and remove the lack of responsiveness from employed, family people. They barely have time to figure out summer camps, let alone participate in an online survey, focus group, or otherwise.

There's a reason why polls have twice failed to predict Trump's victory, among other examples. Statistical modeling only goes so far and is never going to accurately reflect reality.

 

The odds of being asked to participate in a poll are extremely low. Like lottery low, but people win those, don’t they? They typically poll fewer than 1500 people nationwide for a national polls.

Actually, the polls for the last three elections have been pretty good. 2016 they predicted an HRC popular vote win though Trump made it slightly closer than predicted. That’s probably because many were embarrassed to say they supported him back then. In 2020, the polls predicted Biden over Trump almost exactly on the nose. In 2024 they predicted Trump would win as well and he did. 

The pollsters do a good job and they constantly refine the models to make them better to match changing demographics and societal changes. Pew explains this pretty well. I don’t know if you took stats in college. I did grad and postgrad and polling is an interesting subject in those classes.

 


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Posted : 03/24/2026 4:23 pm
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Posted by: @aloha-hoosier

Actually, the polls for the last three elections have been pretty good. 2016 they predicted an HRC popular vote win though Trump made it slightly closer than predicted. That’s probably because many were embarrassed to say they supported him back then. In 2020, the polls predicted Biden over Trump almost exactly on the nose. In 2024 they predicted Trump would win as well and he did. 

I stand by my statement. There are hundreds of polls at any one time and not all of them are political. Nobody I know has done any.

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Posted : 03/24/2026 7:17 pm
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Actually, the polls for the last three elections have been pretty good. 2016 they predicted an HRC popular vote win though Trump made it slightly closer than predicted. That’s probably because many were embarrassed to say they supported him back then. In 2020, the polls predicted Biden over Trump almost exactly on the nose. In 2024 they predicted Trump would win as well and he did. 

I stand by my statement. There are hundreds of polls at any one time and not all of them are political. Nobody I know has done any.

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Click on the general election RCP consolidated final polls for each year and it's exactly as I said. The polls predicted the final results very well. Most interesting is 2020, the one Trump claims he actually lost only due to voter fraud, when the final polls predicted the results almost exactly and we're supposed to believe he won. LOL! I don't know what you linked or why you think it makes a difference in what I said. For example, the final results in 2024 was very close to predicted as well. Harris wasn't the favorite in the polls - it was Trump by 1.5 percent and that was almost exact too.

Look for yourself: 2024 National: Trump vs. Harris | RealClearPolling

 


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Posted : 03/24/2026 7:28 pm
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Posted by: @snarlcakes

I can't remember the ladies name, but she was the "gold standard" of polling and had Iowa +3 the day before the elections.

Yeah, and Trump sued her.

https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2025/10/27/trumps-lawsuit-against-des-moines-register-pollster-heads-to-state-court/


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Posted : 03/24/2026 9:31 pm
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Posted by: @aloha-hoosier

Most interesting is 2020, the one Trump claims he lost, when the final polls predicted the results almost exactly and we're supposed to believe he won. LOL!

I even remember the polling analysts on TV telling us before the election that some states were not allowed to count mail-in ballots until late, and that we should therefore expect a close race that would be affected (in those states) by a late surge for Biden, due to Trump's bashing of mail-in voting. So they not only predicted the result but also the trend in swing states that Trump falsely claimed to be suspicious.

 


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Posted : 03/25/2026 11:53 am
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So, the President says, “Now with the death of Iran, the greatest enemy America has is the Radical Left, Highly Incompetent, Democrat Party!” 

This isn't contributing to the national animosity at all, right?

Plus, I missed the death of Iran . . .


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Posted : 03/25/2026 12:18 pm
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I’ve said this too, because it’s undeniably true:

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try.” - Secretary Mattis, General (ret.)


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Posted : 03/29/2026 8:09 pm
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Posted by: @aloha-hoosier

I’ve said this too, because it’s undeniably true:

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try.” - Secretary Mattis, General (ret.)

 

Mattis won’t be happy until 1000 marines are dead on the sands of Iran. That’s the way he goes about business. 

Guy got married for the first time in 2022 at like 70? What a fucking weirdo. Who would have him?

Thank god we don’t have to listen to him expound on climate change anymore. We were sold a hardcore warrior and got a woke shill. What a disappointment. 

 


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Posted : 03/29/2026 9:41 pm
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I’ve said this too, because it’s undeniably true:

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try.” - Secretary Mattis, General (ret.)

 

Mattis won’t be happy until 1000 marines are dead on the sands of Iran. That’s the way he goes about business. 

Guy got married for the first time in 2022 at like 70? What a fucking weirdo. Who would have him?

Thank god we don’t have to listen to him expound on climate change anymore. We were sold a hardcore warrior and got a woke shill. What a disappointment. 

 

Absolute garbage. Once again you prove to be an ignorant ass whose opinion on nearly everything is worthless. 

 


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