Harris, if healthy, could provide some depth in the post. What I was most excited about was his reported "motor" and his length. We'd be playing in the NCAA tournament if he had been healthy, and could have contributed 5-10 minutes of high motor, solid backup minutes. Depending on how much NIL would be needed to invest in him to keep him, and also depending on his health status, he'd be worth keeping around. I suspect one of the reasons he didn't ever "get healthy" though, is because he didn't want to burn his redshirt late in the year, and that'd be a sign he's transferring.
Drake... who knows? I honestly haven't watched a single highlight or any film on him. I'm not as worried about his portal ranking, as I am whether or not he's the type of guard we need. Is he physical? Can he defend? Can he create shots on his own? If he's decent in a couple of those areas, and can be gotten for "cheap", keep him.
Concerning Harris, you're again talking out your ass when you say we would be in the tourney had he been healthy. We might have missed Drake more than Harris. You don't know. Stop acting like you do.
we will see if either is on the roster in '26.
i think people are kind of overthinking these two. both were depth adds.
harris was top 20 in rebounding rate among freshman so iu took a flyer. he was probably always was going to barely play or redshirt anyway until he got hurt.
drake was supposed to be the 3rd pg who would probably barely play in what iu coaches expected to be a 30/10 min split between conerway and enright until he got hurt.
neither was changing iu's outlook.
@mushroomgod We needed one more win. All you "experts", that don't like anyone else making proclamations, gleefully came on here and ripped Bailey whenever he made a mistake. Harris playing 5-10 minutes of solid, high motor, would have replaced some of those empty Bailey minutes with something different. Its not all that much of a reach to say it would have resulted in one more win. And if it is a reach, its much less of one than all you Einstein's proclaiming "DeVries isn't the guy". GTFO here with the "talking out your ass" crap. Its all you guys do with the constant name calling and coach bashing.
love how you play both sides. You joined our perspective after the NW loss and now you're back to defending the indefensible. You know this guy isn't going to do it. You so much even admitted it ... relook at your posts. Being stuck with this guy for another year is one thing , being stuck with him and trying to paint it as a new beginning with a different result is fools gold. You know darn well where this ship is going. You're only prolonging the inevitable by not admitting to the obvious.
and mushroomgod isn't wrong ... no one knows if a mid major guy would have counted for one more win ... maybe , maybe not. We were told these mid major all stars were gonna deliver us much more than they did. So why would anyone think another one of these goons would tilt the scale the other way. He may have caused us to lose one more game as well. The problem is your proclamations come with an entire aura of arrogance as if you're the only one who can determine what is a viable statement or not. As if we all should need your approval in order to render a thought. Like your some sort of guru ... you didn't even go to IU.
we all aren't just posting here to hear what you have to say and bounce it off of you for approval... you tend to think with your long diatribe word salads that you're head and shoulders above all in your basketball knowledge... sorry don't think so ... you sound like a used car salesmen
@hoosiers94 Having questions about what's going on, acknowledging red flags, is not equal to making definitive proclamations that he can't, or wont, succeed at IU. And for guys that sure get all fussy and wrinkled up when I come across as "all knowing"... you sure don't like it when people challenge your overly negative, absolute, proclamations on coaches and players. One of us acknowledges the other side in all these conversations. And it isn't you guys.
The obvious upside to the Drake and Harris medical redshirts is that Indiana and they are both open and willing to playing next season for a "market discount" to prove themselves.
Thus making more cash available for whatever elite portal talent can be attracted.
It's a potential win/win.
Market discount? Good luck with that one in this day and age of NIL the prices only go up each year and never down it appears.
we will see if either is on the roster in '26.
i think people are kind of overthinking these two. both were depth adds.
harris was top 20 in rebounding rate among freshman so iu took a flyer. he was probably always was going to barely play or redshirt anyway until he got hurt.
drake was supposed to be the 3rd pg who would probably barely play in what iu coaches expected to be a 30/10 min split between conerway and enright until he got hurt.
neither was changing iu's outlook.
And now you have them sitting "cold" for a year, I guess depending to what degree they have been able to practice or stay in shape. So to get back to their top game form is going to take some time. If they are able to play next year we might not get much at least to start. And I go back to saying this isn't a development league. If they can't play, they should go somewhere else until they are healthy.
@hoosiers94 and further... all my posts come with perspectives from experiences I've had... playing, recruiting, and coaching college basketball. If that comes across as me thinking I'm "all knowing", I suspect that's mostly due to your own insecurities about your own knowledge of the game. Some of my experiences, as they relate to TODAY's B10 level college basketball, aren't remotely applicable. I never claim to know what modern day coaches, players, donors, any of it... are thinking or going through. But I do have a really good handle on what a college basketball season looks and feels like, what basketball team dynamics look and feel like, what it looks and feels like to contribute as a player on a college basketball team...
And saying something like we'd have made the NCAA if Josh Harris had been healthy all year... when we only needed NET one more win... and our biggest weakness was depth in the front court, and having to play Bailey for prolonged minutes... Watch his damn tape. He's 6-9, he plays hard, he was an efficient rebounder. He wasn't going to start. He wasn't going to be a 15-20 minute per game guy. But he was going to be a solid depth guy. And with how poorly Bailey played, at times. He would have been a guy you could have turned to, to spell Alexis. Couldn't have been worse right? Bailey is trash, right? Obviously I don't KNOW how it would have went. I've not claimed he could have made a huge sophomore jump, and been a starter for us, and played alongside Alexis, and made us a 25 win team. That's a bit of a stretch. Though it isn't unprecedented, sophomore leaps are pretty common. But on the flip side, Harris not contributing at all, not impacting the team at all, to produce one more NET win... also a bit of a stretch.
@iunorth I buy the argument that it could have meant another win or two, or at worst not made a difference. Fatigue seemed to be an obvious factor in some of our losses. We were visibly laboring by the 30 minute mark. Having a few more guys to sub in for rest if nothing else might have made a difference. Not saying either of those two get us to a S16, but maybe in the tournament.
@mushroomgod We needed one more win. All you "experts", that don't like anyone else making proclamations, gleefully came on here and ripped Bailey whenever he made a mistake. Harris playing 5-10 minutes of solid, high motor, would have replaced some of those empty Bailey minutes with something different. Its not all that much of a reach to say it would have resulted in one more win. And if it is a reach, its much less of one than all you Einstein's proclaiming "DeVries isn't the guy". GTFO here with the "talking out your ass" crap. Its all you guys do with the constant name calling and coach bashing.
You know who did love Bailey? Your boy Doorknob. He started him much of the year over Alexis. Harris was the last scholarship player off the bench in P.R. DeVries never talked with any specificity about what he would bring to the table. He obviously didn't push him to come back, as his name was never mentioned after December. You should be the last poster on here dissing about making proclamations. Please stfu.
@ams66 And what's the "mood" here if we win a game or two more... maybe close out Minny on the road, maybe close out Nebraska and/or USC... And get a solid at large bid? Its like the mood being completely different if you hit a 30 foot game winning shot at the buzzer, or not. Everyone was jacked after we beat UCLA and Wisconsin... despite blowing leads in both games. Everyone was pissed after we lost to USC. Fact was, we played good for large portions of all 3 of those games, crappy for small portions of them. That's how very small changes in dynamics, small ebbs and flows in games and seasons, can produce inflated, wild swings in perceptions.
Making the NCAA this year wouldn't have changed the fundamentals of what we actually were. And we weren't as good as we should have been. But the outlook, with a win or two more, and us preparing for an NCAA matchup right now... would have been completely different. And Harris not playing all year long, was likely a contributing/limiting factor.
@ams66 And what's the "mood" here if we win a game or two more... maybe close out Minny on the road, maybe close out Nebraska and/or USC... And get a solid at large bid? Its like the mood being completely different if you hit a 30 foot game winning shot at the buzzer, or not. Everyone was jacked after we beat UCLA and Wisconsin... despite blowing leads in both games. Everyone was pissed after we lost to USC. Fact was, we played good for large portions of all 3 of those games, crappy for small portions of them. That's how very small changes in dynamics, small ebbs and flows in games and seasons, can produce inflated, wild swings in perceptions.
Making the NCAA this year wouldn't have changed the fundamentals of what we actually were. And we weren't as good as we should have been. But the outlook, with a win or two more, and us preparing for an NCAA matchup right now... would have been completely different. And Harris not playing all year long, was likely a contributing/limiting factor.
IF is a big word
Just squeaking in was never going to do it for me. So the one more game is negligible to me. Why so we can get boat raced in a play in game. Thats not success
@mushroomgod We needed one more win. All you "experts", that don't like anyone else making proclamations, gleefully came on here and ripped Bailey whenever he made a mistake. Harris playing 5-10 minutes of solid, high motor, would have replaced some of those empty Bailey minutes with something different. Its not all that much of a reach to say it would have resulted in one more win. And if it is a reach, its much less of one than all you Einstein's proclaiming "DeVries isn't the guy". GTFO here with the "talking out your ass" crap. Its all you guys do with the constant name calling and coach bashing.
You act as if IU is the only team with injuries. Basically most every team could claim if they did not have injuries they would have another win or two. Heck Minnesota could probably claim they could have three to five more wins.
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