@hoosiers94 You have to think (or at least hope) that to convince him to make a move like that he has been promised he'll have all the resources he needs to go after the types of players we need on the roster. He's not going to want to make a career move like this and be limited to another bunch of mid-major guys.
@ams66 Good point... if he were to come to IU, given everything he needs to build a championship level roster, that would have to be very attractive to NBA owners, and open up NBA GM opportunities down the road for him.
@iunorth And good move by Dolson if he sensed that fans and donors were getting restless with CDD. Shows that rather than resting on his laurels with Cignetti he's still actively working on the basketball rebuild. Gves us something to talk about other than when CDD will get replaced and who the next coach should be.
@ams66 There's more than one way to build a college basketball program, in today's climate, I suspect. Obviously the most important element, remains the head coach. Some head coaches will come in and build everything themselves, or at least direct it, and dictate it all. Cignetti, as an example. But building the program around coaches, has also worked very, very well. Hurley at UConn is an example of this. His first few years at UConn he struggled. They went out and hired some key guys to put around him, like Luke Murray, and his program took off. Obviously Hurley played a role in those hires, but word is it was not just his decision, at the time.
CDD now has Rod Clark, Kenny Johnson... and now a pretty accomplished NBA roster guy, in Carr. If the NIL money will be there going forward, the program has just about everything it will need to start making pretty big strides back to where we all want it to be.
@hoosiers94 I spent many posts on the last site advocating for a more NBA organization approach, this time, to the basketball management and coaching. I just think there are so many things that are new, and changing, that it would be nearly impossible for a basketball coach to focus on all of that, AND have the time and resolve to also focus on building the foundational "basketball stuff".
Your questions are great ones? I have to think he probably wasn't paid as much as one would think by the Pacers. AND this is a heavy investment by Indiana on the entire Indiana basketball management program. Its pretty obvious Dolson has wanted to do things like this in the past, with his hiring of Matta to help Woodson.
Maybe this essentially frees up CDD more to evaluate kids, coach them, etc... And Carr will handle all the ebbs and flows with todays NIL world, foreign born kids, portal dynamics, dealing directly with Donors, etc... Essentially a GM/Lead scout, position.
honestly I'm hoping he's involved in scouting/evaluating talent as well. I think DD could use the help
@iunorth And good move by Dolson if he sensed that fans and donors were getting restless with CDD. Shows that rather than resting on his laurels with Cignetti he's still actively working on the basketball rebuild. Gves us something to talk about other than when CDD will get replaced and who the next coach should be.
there is a God 
@hoosiers94 Can't hurt. And its very possible CDD lacks the capacity to fully evaluate all the streams of talent these days. I still think his efforts to build his first IU class were heavily hindered by timing, budget, and some unforeseen stumbles in staff building. And that's not factoring in the differences in the portal, that I'm sure weren't completely prepared for before he was working through building his roster. Landing either the Bama assistant and/or the Texas Tech assistant, right away, like it seemed like was the intention... and I think the roster would have been a fair bit higher level.
As it stands, he got two very solid lead assistants in Clark and Johnson... but by the time they were in the fold, the portal was already being picked over.
Having this fella in the fold, now, scouring the portal market, the foreign market, the spring HS market... And then hopefully having a very clear grasp on NIL values, IU's budget, etc... and hopefully we maximize whatever our available money is.
I am pumped. But maybe this is also Dolson realizing he needed a GM becasue he himself won't be sure what needs to be done. Just not knowledgeable enough.
But really is just a position that is a must have in today's environment.
Cig has even mentioned lately how while he runs the show it can be a bit much even with an awesome staff. And that's Cig, the best GM in football.
I am guessing if they want to put together a top tier big ten roster like Michigan has the NIL will have to increase a good 5-7 million imo.Ballo was a top player who got 1.2 million a year later the top guys got 3 million plus. If these prices continue to rise at these insane rates 10 million NIL is not going to buy you much in the way of bigger time players. Just three legit top tier players will probably cost 9-11 million this spring I am guessing. It needs to be capped but until then its going to cost big for top players.
I am guessing if they want to put together a top tier big ten roster like Michigan has the NIL will have to increase a good 5-7 million imo.Ballo was a top player who got 1.2 million a year later the top guys got 3 million plus. If these prices continue to rise at these insane rates 10 million NIL is not going to buy you much in the way of bigger time players. Just three legit top tier players will probably cost 9-11 million this spring I am guessing. It needs to be capped but until then its going to cost big for top players.
$15M is the magic number for me. Need $10M to buy your starting 5 and the rest for the bench. Should be able to acquire top 10 talent with that.
You bastard.Please, show me where I said King Knobulous should be canned after his first season.@surjay This "hater" and "you want IU to lose" shit is getting old. I'm simply anti-mediocrity, that's all.
We're all anti mediocrity. Sorry if we just don't think running off a coach after one season and a likely NCAA tournament birth is the best way to get past mediocrity.
I was the one who said that ... not @gthomas
$15M is the magic number for me. Need $10M to buy your starting 5 and the rest for the bench. Should be able to acquire top 10 talent with that.
At some point the bubble has to pop, but until then, yeah you are probably right as crazy as that is.
@dbmhoosier I've posted this many times before. But I think elasticity is probably as important as having a big initial number for a budget. DeVries, and now Carr, need to be able to call Cuban, or the NIL collective leaders, and say... I have Flory Bidunga on the line, I need to close him, I need an extra XX amount of dollars to do that. CDD and Carr have a great challenge ahead of them... it sounds like the portal market is being predicted to be even "worse" than last years was, in terms of elite level talent. That's going to make bigs more coveted, and more expensive as a result. And any elite, NBA level guys, the same... more coveted, more expensive.
So setting an initial budget higher, obviously will help. But I hope if they find someone elite that's interested, and CDD believes will fit his program, that they have elasticity or flexibility to spend more on that player than the budget might initially say they should. Last year, I think we got to that point with a handful of pretty impactful guys, and maybe didn't have that ability to extend a little further, money wise.
So... pure guesses... but 13-14 initial budget... but if it ends up landing at 16-17, because we got a few guys that both CDD and Carr know are great fits, AND elite... then so be it. Easy for me to say, its not my money. But I do believe that's the reality of how it will need to go.
@dbmhoosier I've posted this many times before. But I think elasticity is probably as important as having a big initial number for a budget. DeVries, and now Carr, need to be able to call Cuban, or the NIL collective leaders, and say... I have Flory Bidunga on the line, I need to close him, I need an extra XX amount of dollars to do that. CDD and Carr have a great challenge ahead of them... it sounds like the portal market is being predicted to be even "worse" than last years was, in terms of elite level talent. That's going to make bigs more coveted, and more expensive as a result. And any elite, NBA level guys, the same... more coveted, more expensive.
So setting an initial budget higher, obviously will help. But I hope if they find someone elite that's interested, and CDD believes will fit his program, that they have elasticity or flexibility to spend more on that player than the budget might initially say they should. Last year, I think we got to that point with a handful of pretty impactful guys, and maybe didn't have that ability to extend a little further, money wise.
So... pure guesses... but 13-14 initial budget... but if it ends up landing at 16-17, because we got a few guys that both CDD and Carr know are great fits, AND elite... then so be it. Easy for me to say, its not my money. But I do believe that's the reality of how it will need to go.
I think you're probably right. I'm assuming that Carr's extensive agent network is one of the key points here. IE knowing upfront/early what starting target prices are for the pieces they want so maybe they're able to hit key donors up beforehand on specific guys for a "i'm willing to go this high" before it gets to the final negotiation.
I am guessing if they want to put together a top tier big ten roster like Michigan has the NIL will have to increase a good 5-7 million imo.Ballo was a top player who got 1.2 million a year later the top guys got 3 million plus. If these prices continue to rise at these insane rates 10 million NIL is not going to buy you much in the way of bigger time players. Just three legit top tier players will probably cost 9-11 million this spring I am guessing. It needs to be capped but until then its going to cost big for top players.
$15M is the magic number for me. Need $10M to buy your starting 5 and the rest for the bench. Should be able to acquire top 10 talent with that.
I think $10M will only buy 3 of the DeVries/Wilkerson rated transfers....15 to 35 type guys. Guys like Johnson & Mara from Michigan. $15M's not going to buy a starting 5 of those types plus 3 reserves.
I'd like to see us buy the 3 top players we can find with at least one being a C and one a PG. The 3rd being the best player regardless of position. Keep guys like Dorn, Miles, Sisley, the foreign kids, and the 3 recruits....that would make 11. That's enough. If any want to leave replace them with whoever. Dump Harris & the other kid and go with walk-ons.