the first 7 names on that list don't strike any fear ... the unnamed 6 had better be top shelf. And I'd get 15 if we have the money
@mushroomgod ... often leave their feet for shot fakes. ...
Oh man, do we.
And you are right that we don't shot fake much. I hadn't thought of that recently, but you or others mentioned that before. Tucker has faked and stepped to the side a couple times recently. And Wilkerson once that I recall. But Wilkerson also had one blocked vs Wisconsin where he could've faked. And neither guy tries it regularly. And our other guys not at all. Strange...
What do our assistant coaches do for a living? I saw high praise for a couple of them on here as being really good staff. Is that only based on recruiting? Or am I supposed to believe when our geniuses teach shot fake and shoot, that DeVries shuts it down?
Just a question from someone who isn't a coach, didn't play more than recreationally: How do you get to be a D1 college player and not already habitually do stuff like block out, use shot fakes, move with your feet instead of reaching, etc. Isn't this all taught in middle school?
@hoosiers94 Hypothetically speaking, let's say IU has $15 million total for next season's roster. I don't know what the "budget" will be but in this scenario, we'll say $15 million. Would you rather have a roster that averages $1 million per player and have 15 scholarship players (knowing the rotation very rarely extends beyond 10 players)? Or, would you rather have a roster of 13 players that averages $1.15 million ($150,000 more per player)? I'd rather have the 13 but to each their own. I can't speak to what every program is doing but very few are using 15 scholarships.
Obviously, you would not allocate the funds equally between every player and I can only guess on how they'll divvy up the funds:
1. $3 million (I would give this to a dynamic lead guard), 2. $2.75 (top-notch perimeter player), 3. $2.5 (really good forward/wing) (that's $8.25), 4. $2 (good big man)($10.25), 5. 1.5 (good guard/wing shooter)($11.75), 6/7/8 $750K ($14), 9/10/11/12/13 - $200K each
That might be a bit top-heavy and the $2.5 and $2 million should be spread around more evenly but a top guard in the portal is going to cost around $3 million per rumors so you can see how tight it would get really quick if you are trying to roster 15 scholarship guys.
it just depends who those players are I guess. Hard to make that decision .. but I'd keep it as an option either way.
My primary concern is that DD gets out-adjusted so often. If Plan A on offense--drain many threes at a good percentage--isn't working, he just doesn't seem to have an answer.
The NW game was awful, but MSU was nearly as disheartening. IU hung around in the first half, but Izzo turned up the heat in the 2nd, and every Hoosier--players and coaches-- looked like they saw a ghost.
@mushroomgod I'm definitely saying "who the heck is this guy?" with Moboko.
@ams66 SCORE! most of those kids get on the radar bc they score a ton of points - and are on good teams in the AAU circuit.
@tjinman1987 15 million?? That is what our fb team had last year or close to it? You're telling me hoops has almost as much NIL as fb for less players?
@mushroomgod Because his history before IU says he's a very good basketball coach. And despite all the crappy stuff that I've written recently, he does have this IU team as a "top 40" metrics team, and he built it from scratch less than a year ago. And before anyone responds with..."its a new world, it doesn't take multiple years any more..." Actually, it still usually does. Obviously some coaches have had instant success. But many, many more haven't. So at a minimum, from a pure metrics and wins standpoint, he's doing a decent job. But before IU... he was quite a lot better than "decent"...
He inherited a dormant Drake program, and built it to one of the top programs in the Valley, arguably one of the top small college programs in the country. He didn't have NIL, or facilities advantages, or much of anything... its basically not possible to do that, at a place like Drake, if you're not a very good basketball coach. Then he took over a West Virginia program that was at the bottom of the B12, and made them competitive in one of the better conferences in the country, in his first year, without his two best players for most of the year. If one can't acknowledge that he's proven he's a very good basketball coach, then that person's arguments against his abilities to get IU going are much less credible, in my opinion.
Now... at IU... he's adding to his resume. His record before IU, as I typed above, is impressive, but its not perfect. And there are red flags he brings with him. And those are starting to wave a little more prominently, for me, than they did earlier in the year. But they don't erase the good things he's done in his career.
@ge-off No...that is combined revenue sharing and NIL. The total pool of money. I don't know what IU will have but UK's roster is reportedly getting a total of $22 million and I know IU won't be that high.
@tjinman1987 15 million?? That is what our fb team had last year or close to it? You're telling me hoops has almost as much NIL as fb for less players?
Football has WAY more. Not in the same ballpark. BB had around 10 million last year which was top 15-20 range in college hoops. As mentioned above, UK had 22million for basketball last year.
@tjinman1987 If 15 Million is the end number... I shoot for...
1. Starting PG - Elite, top of the portal, all around PG (2.5 Million to 3.5 Million) I'm thinking Rob Wright, Jeremy Fears type players here. Stud floor generals.
2. Shooting oriented Wing - Dorn (750K to 1.25 mil, depending on how he finishes)
3. Versatile NBA style length wing - Elite, 3 and D versatile player (1.5 million to 2.5 million) Iowa State has had these types of guys, Kansas has a few, Arizona has a few... just a dawg 6-6 ish guy that can score, but will average 12, 6, 5, 3... etc... but be a competitor and crazy defender.
4. Stretch 4 - maybe a European here, but size, pick and pop, versatile defender and rebounder (1.5 million to 2 million) Think one of Illinois seemingly dozen or so of these types of guys, or maybe a Burks type of player from UCF.
5. Elite rim protecting big - Maybe not top of the portal level big, but up there. (1.5 million to 2.5 million) Flory, Chinleyu, type player.
6. Complimentary big to starting big - starter level, can defend and rebound in B10 (1 Million to 1.5 million)
7-9. 3 incoming freshman... rough average of 750K a piece, for (2 million to 2.5 million)
10. Miles - he seems to have become the most played returner behind Dorn. I like his bounce, and defensive energy. (500K or so)
11. Sisley - Sounds like he's staying despite his limited role of late. Love his potential. He's already shown what that can be. (500K or so)
12. Harris - some mixed info on him. I like his size, and his motor, as a deep bench big man sub, he's probably pretty valuable...if he wants to be at IU. (500K or so)
13. Ristic - Obvioulsy the coaching staff doesn't see what I've seen in his limited minutes. He looks to be a very skilled, and very controlled basketball player. The fact that he's sitting behind a backcourt that might miss out on the NCAA tournament, isn't a great sign. But Wilkerson, DeVries, Dorn, Enright, Conerway... is the strength of our team. Maybe another offseason and new faces around him will help him emerge. (500k)
Obviously you can't go to the top of my price ranges on all these guys. But you can see who I'd be targeting in the Portal/Foreign markets, between now and end of April. I'd spend really good money on 4-5 upper B10 level starting caliber players, and try to keep as many intact from current roster and incoming frosh, as possible.
It's seems that we'd have to be at a minimum of 15m to have any luck in assembling a roster that can compete. And if the powers that be are so enamored with DD then why not get it to 18-20. 15 is great but if it just puts us on the edge .. find the 3-5 m more. Provided the talent pool.. free agent market is worth it
@hoosiers94 Just a guess... but IF our roster this year was roughly 10 million, and IF that was hard capped... THEN I could see the budget this upcoming year being in the 12-13 million dollar range... but with some flexibility to extend to land those higher caliber guys if we get close with any of them. That might be a way we'd get to a final number in the 15 million range... but never really consider spending close to 20.
@mushroomgod ... often leave their feet for shot fakes. ...
Oh man, do we.
And you are right that we don't shot fake much. I hadn't thought of that recently, but you or others mentioned that before. Tucker has faked and stepped to the side a couple times recently. And Wilkerson once that I recall. But Wilkerson also had one blocked vs Wisconsin where he could've faked. And neither guy tries it regularly. And our other guys not at all. Strange...
What do our assistant coaches do for a living? I saw high praise for a couple of them on here as being really good staff. Is that only based on recruiting? Or am I supposed to believe when our geniuses teach shot fake and shoot, that DeVries shuts it down?
I would think shot fakes would be really important in the type of O that CDD runs because defenders are all over TD, Dorn, and LW at the 3 point line....it might give them a little more space to shoot the 3s if the SFed and drove more often