@iureactionary If IU happens to get Fru nothing I'd like better than for it all to work out. Not sure what happened to him over the last 12 games: 71 points & 62 rebounds. Injury, higher level of competition, etc. ???
Not an MSU fan but saw the game a little different than you did. Thought the Spartans took it to Louisville with their physicality.
@iureactionary If IU happens to get Fru nothing I'd like better than for it all to work out. Not sure what happened to him over the last 12 games: 71 points & 62 rebounds. Injury, higher level of competition, etc. ???
Not an MSU fan but saw the game a little different than you did. Thought the Spartans took it to Louisville with their physicality.
I read a couple of articles about him, and there was no mention of any injury. One article said Kelsey voiced some frustration about trying to get him to play to his potetial....said something like "what do i need to do to get you to play harder, you could be a beast'.
I don't understand how foreign pro eligibility works, but I read he would only be eligible for 1 year, although this year was year 1 in the U.S.
I know in his 1st year or two in Germany, he was named best player 22 and under in that league.
He would be a test case for CDD.....can he get everything out that is there. Woodson passed that test with Ware.
EDIT---IU game: 30M, 2-2 on 2s, 1-1 on 3s, 5-7 on FTs, 7 rebs, 1 BS, 3 steals, 5 TOs
We can all recall games when Indiana was obliterated on the boards. The February loss to a weak Northwestern was one that stuck out for me. IU got whipped 34-23 in the rebounding battle and 11-5 on offensive rebounds. I am going to take the liberty to share some stats reported by Ryan Corazza in a recent Inside the Hall article. In their 14 losses, the Hoosiers rebounded 21.4% of missed shots while the opponents rebounded 32.5% of their misses. The rebounding edge translated to IU being outscored on second-chance points, 163-97. For the regular season, Indiana ranked 301st nationally in offensive rebounding at 26.9%.
DeVries knows the numbers well and has expressed to do what's possible in the portal to add size, physical presence and athleticism to the roster.
With anticipation I'm waiting to see what he will do to fix the rebounding problem. Fru if added would be a nice start but at least 2 more inside players are needed.
We can all recall games when Indiana was obliterated on the boards. The February loss to a weak Northwestern was one that stuck out for me. IU got whipped 34-23 in the rebounding battle and 11-5 on offensive rebounds. I am going to take the liberty to share some stats reported by Ryan Corazza in a recent Inside the Hall article. In their 14 losses, the Hoosiers rebounded 21.4% of missed shots while the opponents rebounded 32.5% of their misses. The rebounding edge translated to IU being outscored on second-chance points, 163-97. For the regular season, Indiana ranked 301st nationally in offensive rebounding at 26.9%.
DeVries knows the numbers well and has expressed to do what's possible in the portal to add size, physical presence and athleticism to the roster.
With anticipation I'm waiting to see what he will do to fix the rebounding problem. Fru if added would be a nice start but at least 2 more inside players are needed.
Nobody has even left yet as of now we only have room for three guys.
@iureactionary If IU happens to get Fru nothing I'd like better than for it all to work out. Not sure what happened to him over the last 12 games: 71 points & 62 rebounds. Injury, higher level of competition, etc. ???
Not an MSU fan but saw the game a little different than you did. Thought the Spartans took it to Louisville with their physicality.
i mean the advanced numbers show fru was as good or better against top 100 competition but you're free to see what you want.
i agree on msu taking it to louisville physically but also louisville let them. i didn't understand some of their sets. they settled a ton and they should have attacked closeouts more. again, as a msu bettor and louisville hater, i was happy with the outcome. my thesis is more that you cannot judge fru based on that game.
some advanced numbers on fru:
he was 27th in offensive rebound rate and 70th in block rate in all of college basketball. those were two things iu had essentially none of last year.
add to that that he was also #1 in the country in eFG% (76.5%), 76th overall in bpm (7.7) and 41st in offensive rating (131.3).
he was a very good player. every portal player will have their warts. fru must rebound on the defensive glass with the same tenacity he does the offensive glass and he needs to get to the line more but he would have been iu's highest bpm guy last year, comfortably ahead of wilkerson.
for the record, i see sisley, and maybe dorn and acimovic staying...i wouldn't be shocked if every other player moves on.
for the record, i see sisley, and maybe dorn and acimovic staying...i wouldn't be shocked if every other player moves on.
I guess but its been weeks and not one yet has said they are leaving. Normally you here of departures right away. I am guessing they do not want to leave because they know they will not get paid anywhere else like they did at IU. We overpaid for every last one of them
that's just not how it works. i get you're still very hot about how last season went but iu isn't going to charity case guys onto the team. iu decides who comes back and who doesn't.
devries did more than right by harris and drake and redshirted them when they were likely healthy enough to play. miles wasn't good enough for the level. if any of those guys want to play significant minutes, they need to drop down.
ristic and acimovic are cheap. acimovic, in particular, came over to work on his game. from what others have said, he isn't without skill, but he's just a ways off from contributing at the high major level as a youngster. if either of those guys want to stick around for 1-2% of your total budget, sure.
if it were up to me, i wouldn't even have a full roster of 13. it will be interesting if any other incoming freshman shake loose from the coaching changes that iu can "mike woodson" their way into.
that's just not how it works. i get you're still very hot about how last season went but iu isn't going to charity case guys onto the team. iu decides who comes back and who doesn't.
devries did more than right by harris and drake and redshirted them when they were likely healthy enough to play. miles wasn't good enough for the level. if any of those guys want to play significant minutes, they need to drop down.
ristic and acimovic are cheap. acimovic, in particular, came over to work on his game. from what others have said, he isn't without skill, but he's just a ways off from contributing at the high major level as a youngster. if either of those guys want to stick around for 1-2% of your total budget, sure.
if it were up to me, i wouldn't even have a full roster of 13. it will be interesting if any other incoming freshman shake loose from the coaching changes that iu can "mike woodson" their way into.
There is not one guy from last years roster who should start next year. I get some are really high on Dorn but I was not impressed at all in the games I saw. Yes I missed the one game where he went off and some called him an nba player but I watched the last five or six games and he did nothing.
For those that think I am too positive and optimistic and don't point out negatives...Georgetown point guard Malik Mack entered the portal. Kenny Johnson and Mack are close. IU should not pursue Malik Mack for any serious role. He only has one year left and he's not a quality player. If they do pursue Mack, I am telling you ahead of time that would be a poor choice!
Assuming several guys from the current 10 will not be on the roster next season.We can all recall games when Indiana was obliterated on the boards. The February loss to a weak Northwestern was one that stuck out for me. IU got whipped 34-23 in the rebounding battle and 11-5 on offensive rebounds. I am going to take the liberty to share some stats reported by Ryan Corazza in a recent Inside the Hall article. In their 14 losses, the Hoosiers rebounded 21.4% of missed shots while the opponents rebounded 32.5% of their misses. The rebounding edge translated to IU being outscored on second-chance points, 163-97. For the regular season, Indiana ranked 301st nationally in offensive rebounding at 26.9%.
DeVries knows the numbers well and has expressed to do what's possible in the portal to add size, physical presence and athleticism to the roster.
With anticipation I'm waiting to see what he will do to fix the rebounding problem. Fru if added would be a nice start but at least 2 more inside players are needed.
Nobody has even left yet as of now we only have room for three guys.
I'm certain DeVries will have a conversation with coach Carr regarding the performance of Fru over those last dozen games. I'm not dissing Fru but as a fan have learned my lesson to be cautious and hold down the excitement level when new players come to IU. As far as the portal goes, I'll be disappointed if a couple things happen:@iureactionary If IU happens to get Fru nothing I'd like better than for it all to work out. Not sure what happened to him over the last 12 games: 71 points & 62 rebounds. Injury, higher level of competition, etc. ???
Not an MSU fan but saw the game a little different than you did. Thought the Spartans took it to Louisville with their physicality.
i mean the advanced numbers show fru was as good or better against top 100 competition but you're free to see what you want.
i agree on msu taking it to louisville physically but also louisville let them. i didn't understand some of their sets. they settled a ton and they should have attacked closeouts more. again, as a msu bettor and louisville hater, i was happy with the outcome. my thesis is more that you cannot judge fru based on that game.
some advanced numbers on fru:
he was 27th in offensive rebound rate and 70th in block rate in all of college basketball. those were two things iu had essentially none of last year.
add to that that he was also #1 in the country in eFG% (76.5%), 76th overall in bpm (7.7) and 41st in offensive rating (131.3).
he was a very good player. every portal player will have their warts. fru must rebound on the defensive glass with the same tenacity he does the offensive glass and he needs to get to the line more but he would have been iu's highest bpm guy last year, comfortably ahead of wilkerson.
(1) IU loads up the the roster with mid-major players. (Would like to see the majority of additions coming from the majors and international.)
(2) IU adds only 2 big players. (A Fru and one more big is not enough for me. Need at least another rebounder.)
(3) IU adds less than 6 players from the portal. Six is a bare minimum.
Other than that I'll sit back with interest and watch DeVries and company build the roster and wait until November to watch the Hoosiers play on the hardcourt.
@tjinman1987 Some remember the 27 Mack dropped on IU back when he played for Harvard. That 2023-24 season a number of guards had big games against the Hoosiers.
that's just not how it works. i get you're still very hot about how last season went but iu isn't going to charity case guys onto the team. iu decides who comes back and who doesn't.
devries did more than right by harris and drake and redshirted them when they were likely healthy enough to play. miles wasn't good enough for the level. if any of those guys want to play significant minutes, they need to drop down.
ristic and acimovic are cheap. acimovic, in particular, came over to work on his game. from what others have said, he isn't without skill, but he's just a ways off from contributing at the high major level as a youngster. if either of those guys want to stick around for 1-2% of your total budget, sure.
if it were up to me, i wouldn't even have a full roster of 13. it will be interesting if any other incoming freshman shake loose from the coaching changes that iu can "mike woodson" their way into.
There is not one guy from last years roster who should start next year. I get some are really high on Dorn but I was not impressed at all in the games I saw. Yes I missed the one game where he went off and some called him an nba player but I watched the last five or six games and he did nothing.
who is saying that dorn should start?
i haven't seen one poster advocate for that.
now, as a bench piece, you could do far worse than a 6'7 senior that was 87% from the line and 38% from 3 on over 2 makes per game in the best league in the sport. but he might not want to be a bench guy in his final go around.
I'm certain DeVries will have a conversation with coach Carr regarding the performance of Fru over those last dozen games. I'm not dissing Fru but as a fan have learned my lesson to be cautious and hold down the excitement level when new players come to IU. As far as the portal goes, I'll be disappointed if a couple things happen:@iureactionary If IU happens to get Fru nothing I'd like better than for it all to work out. Not sure what happened to him over the last 12 games: 71 points & 62 rebounds. Injury, higher level of competition, etc. ???
Not an MSU fan but saw the game a little different than you did. Thought the Spartans took it to Louisville with their physicality.
i mean the advanced numbers show fru was as good or better against top 100 competition but you're free to see what you want.
i agree on msu taking it to louisville physically but also louisville let them. i didn't understand some of their sets. they settled a ton and they should have attacked closeouts more. again, as a msu bettor and louisville hater, i was happy with the outcome. my thesis is more that you cannot judge fru based on that game.
some advanced numbers on fru:
he was 27th in offensive rebound rate and 70th in block rate in all of college basketball. those were two things iu had essentially none of last year.
add to that that he was also #1 in the country in eFG% (76.5%), 76th overall in bpm (7.7) and 41st in offensive rating (131.3).
he was a very good player. every portal player will have their warts. fru must rebound on the defensive glass with the same tenacity he does the offensive glass and he needs to get to the line more but he would have been iu's highest bpm guy last year, comfortably ahead of wilkerson.
(1) IU loads up the the roster with mid-major players. (Would like to see the majority of additions coming from the majors and international.)
(2) IU adds only 2 big players. (A Fru and one more big is not enough for me. Need at least another rebounder.)
(3) IU adds less than 6 players from the portal. Six is a bare minimum.
Other than that I'll sit back with interest and watch DeVries and company build the roster and wait until November to watch the Hoosiers play on the hardcourt.
this isn't a draft. all these portal guys will have warts or they'd be in the nba or content at their current spot.
but i agree with most of what you said.
i think your approach of waiting to see is the correct one.
one of the reasons i started writing about iu and why i joined message boards to talk about them well over a decade ago is because i like roster building in both football and basketball.
i'm very interested to see how this roster comes together.