@hoosier-clarion I want that too. And I've posted at length, on the prior forums, about how I think Indiana needs to force that culture with their entire basketball organization, rather than wait and hope that the bball coach is going to fix it all. But the reality is, the bball coach kind of has to be the tip of the spear with setting those expectations, for the bball program. So with regards to this conversation, I'm not sure Carr can have a huge impact on that mindset, approach, and expectations establishment... But maybe if DeVries is open to knew thoughts and ideas on such things, they could work together to reestablish this mindset? Maybe Carr has skills and ideas from his Pacers days, that can help DeVries? From most accounts that I've ever heard, or read, DeVries handles himself, and holds himself to many of these levels of work and expectations. Maybe Carr can be a guy that helps him lead that drive down through everyone else in the program?
Cig is one of those rare birds... that can handle all the heavy lifting on setting the culter, the expectations, the daily execution... all of it. There are many examples of guys that needed some help with that. And that became wildly successful when they had the right group around them to do it. Dan Hurley is a guy I keep referring to. He was floundering at UConn. They shook the staff up, hired Luke Murray, and everything changed. I don't think anyone would question who's steering the ship in Storrs, but changing and adding guys like Luke Murray made Dan Hurley a MUCH, MUCH more effective basketball coach. It could happen to and for CDD as well.
I just caught the end of an interview Don Fischer was doing recently on IU bball. And he and the other fella were talking about how important having an elite Point Guard is. I think if I had to distill down in to one position where I hope Carr and DeVries focus and pay the most money for, it'd be trying to land an an alpha, elite level point guard.
Look at the best teams in our conference...I'd argue that Nebraska was the only team that finished ahead of us that didn't really have an alpha lead guard of any kind. Most of the teams have really, really, really good elite PGs. Michigan=Cadeau, MSU=Fears, Purdue=Smith, Illinois=Wagler/Boswell, Wisconsin=Boyd, Iowa=Stirtz, UCLA=Dent... more than half those guys were portal guys. Arizona=Bradley, Houston=Flemings... I would say Duke and maybe UConn are the only two teams that don't have an obvious alpha lead guard, among elite level teams.
I'd be tampering like a MoFo right now, talking to Rob Wright's people, incoming frosh, really anyone not likely to go to the NBA. Spend 3-4 million if you have too. But get that alpha PG. Fischer and the other guy brought it up, the last one we had like that was Yogi, and he won 2 Big 10 championships, with Tom Crean as his coach.
Go get a PG DeVries and Carr!
I just caught the end of an interview Don Fischer was doing recently on IU bball. And he and the other fella were talking about how important having an elite Point Guard is. I think if I had to distill down in to one position where I hope Carr and DeVries focus and pay the most money for, it'd be trying to land an an alpha, elite level point guard.
Look at the best teams in our conference...I'd argue that Nebraska was the only team that finished ahead of us that didn't really have an alpha lead guard of any kind. Most of the teams have really, really, really good elite PGs. Michigan=Cadeau, MSU=Fears, Purdue=Smith, Illinois=Wagler/Boswell, Wisconsin=Boyd, Iowa=Stirtz, UCLA=Dent... more than half those guys were portal guys. Arizona=Bradley, Houston=Flemings... I would say Duke and maybe UConn are the only two teams that don't have an obvious alpha lead guard, among elite level teams.
I'd be tampering like a MoFo right now, talking to Rob Wright's people, incoming frosh, really anyone not likely to go to the NBA. Spend 3-4 million if you have too. But get that alpha PG. Fischer and the other guy brought it up, the last one we had like that was Yogi, and he won 2 Big 10 championships, with Tom Crean as his coach.
Go get a PG DeVries and Carr!
Like you said if you want an elite point guard you better be prepared to spend 3 million at least.
RUMOR (that I think is true): Trent Sisley will be exiting via the portal. PLEASE NOTE...this is not FACT but a rumor (that I think has substance).
The optics of this are not great but if he were not from Indiana, people would shrug their shoulders. Trent was on a substantial NIL deal to commit to IU under Woodson and DeVries honored it. He will get better as a player but he was lost basically any time he saw the floor against high major competition. I would not freak out until we see who is replacing him. What if IU replaces him with Tre Singleton and Sam Orme at the 4 and Trent was not keen on taking less money and being third string? Of course, if IU replaces him with two guys from low majors and they stink while Trent goes to Butler or wherever and averages 18 per game...well, you can imagine the discourse.
We'll see how this plays out but the next 30-45 days are going to be bonkers.
It never appeared to me that DeVries was particularly fond of Sisley on a personal level.
@hoosiers94 Again with the juvenile name calling. Woodson didn’t pay attention to the people he had around him to help. I’m pretty sure DeVries will. Charisma? Like Hurley? Matt Painter? Coach K? I don’t think charisma has much to do with being a good basketball coach. In fact, I can’t think of too many who actually have much.
Perhaps, but I can't think of any who have less.
Hopefully this thread can be one where we don't recycle and regurgitate the same talking points over and over and we focus on the transfer portal (now that is going to get rolling).
A couple of names with potential IU involvement:
-Stefan Vaaks - 6'7" wing/guard from Providence - Vaaks is from Estonia and was a freshman for Kim English. English was fired and Vaaks is transferring out. He is already 20 years old and he averaged 15.8 points per game and 3.2 assists per game. Providence was not a good rebounding team and Vaaks definitely wasn't too interested in crashing the boards but he's a good scorer and shooter with good size. The one area that he'll need to improve quite a bit is defensively. He was a very positive offensive player and a negative defensive player. That's not surprising for a freshman playing for the first time in the US but it was not pretty. If IU grabs Vaaks, he projects as a starting guard/wing and they'd need to address the defense and rebounding with athletic, strong, defensive wing (Amari Evans fits the bill) and a rim protecting center. Vaaks would be a fun addition though. 91-260 from three: 17 against VT, 14 against Penn, 15 against PSU with +9.3 BPM, 11 against Wisconsin, 10 against Florida, 16 against St. John's (+24.4 BPM), 21 against X, 21 against Villanova, 24 against Creighton, 26 against Marquette, 25 against Villanova, 20 against Butler, 20 against Seton Hall, 20 against St. John's, 28 against Butler, 23 against St. John's....he can fill it up.
-Adam Olsen - South Alabama - 6'8" with one year left - 40+% three-point sniper with a quick release. Probably a 4 in IU's system but again, doesn't really solve the defense or rebounding issue. Really good shooter though and could be a good puzzle piece if IU looked at him.
@mushroomgod you need enough personality to get buy in from the team. Being charismatic
@hoosier-clarion I want that too. And I've posted at length, on the prior forums, about how I think Indiana needs to force that culture with their entire basketball organization, rather than wait and hope that the bball coach is going to fix it all. But the reality is, the bball coach kind of has to be the tip of the spear with setting those expectations, for the bball program. So with regards to this conversation, I'm not sure Carr can have a huge impact on that mindset, approach, and expectations establishment... But maybe if DeVries is open to knew thoughts and ideas on such things, they could work together to reestablish this mindset? Maybe Carr has skills and ideas from his Pacers days, that can help DeVries? From most accounts that I've ever heard, or read, DeVries handles himself, and holds himself to many of these levels of work and expectations. Maybe Carr can be a guy that helps him lead that drive down through everyone else in the program?
Cig is one of those rare birds... that can handle all the heavy lifting on setting the culter, the expectations, the daily execution... all of it. There are many examples of guys that needed some help with that. And that became wildly successful when they had the right group around them to do it. Dan Hurley is a guy I keep referring to. He was floundering at UConn. They shook the staff up, hired Luke Murray, and everything changed. I don't think anyone would question who's steering the ship in Storrs, but changing and adding guys like Luke Murray made Dan Hurley a MUCH, MUCH more effective basketball coach. It could happen to and for CDD as well.
It happened with Beilein at Michigan. He turned his D over to a coordinator type and the program took over. There are a couple of problems with that approach at IU. First, DeVries has no particular strength as a HC. We would need both an Offensive and a Defensive coordinator. Second, none of the assistants we currently have appear to be elite in coaching any particular aspects of the game of basketball. The 3 top assistants are all said to be recruiters. With the addition of Carr and the retention of the present asst coaches, we appear to be intent on recruiting our way out of our problems. We'll see how that works out. Good luck to us all.
@hoosier-clarion I want that too. And I've posted at length, on the prior forums, about how I think Indiana needs to force that culture with their entire basketball organization, rather than wait and hope that the bball coach is going to fix it all. But the reality is, the bball coach kind of has to be the tip of the spear with setting those expectations, for the bball program. So with regards to this conversation, I'm not sure Carr can have a huge impact on that mindset, approach, and expectations establishment... But maybe if DeVries is open to knew thoughts and ideas on such things, they could work together to reestablish this mindset? Maybe Carr has skills and ideas from his Pacers days, that can help DeVries? From most accounts that I've ever heard, or read, DeVries handles himself, and holds himself to many of these levels of work and expectations. Maybe Carr can be a guy that helps him lead that drive down through everyone else in the program?
Cig is one of those rare birds... that can handle all the heavy lifting on setting the culter, the expectations, the daily execution... all of it. There are many examples of guys that needed some help with that. And that became wildly successful when they had the right group around them to do it. Dan Hurley is a guy I keep referring to. He was floundering at UConn. They shook the staff up, hired Luke Murray, and everything changed. I don't think anyone would question who's steering the ship in Storrs, but changing and adding guys like Luke Murray made Dan Hurley a MUCH, MUCH more effective basketball coach. It could happen to and for CDD as well.
It happened with Beilein at Michigan. He turned his D over to a coordinator type and the program took over. There are a couple of problems with that approach at IU. First, DeVries has no particular strength as a HC. We would need both an Offensive and a Defensive coordinator. Second, none of the assistants we currently have appear to be elite in coaching any particular aspects of the game of basketball. The 3 top assistants are all said to be recruiters. With the addition of Carr and the retention of the present asst coaches, we appear to be intent on recruiting our way out of our problems. We'll see how that works out. Good luck to us all.
spending one's way out of problems is not ideal. Especially when there is no one to guide you. If we had a coach then the investment is sound.
@mushroomgod you need enough personality to get buy in from the team. Being charismatic
It would seem so. The "Doorknob" label is perfect. I am fond of my own "Durwood DeVries", but I think it might imply a level of stupidity that's not there. I don't think he's dumb. He's just milk toast. Can you imagine him telling a good joke? Or being pissed off enough that he was ready to kick someone's ass? Me neither. You would think that 'steadiness' might be a virtue with him, but it's really not. It's very strange. Dolson's interview with him must have been a short one.
EDIT...want to add this here as a reply to Zeke, who says that Jurley, Painter, Coach K also don't have "charisma". Maybe....but all of them have gravitas....to be a good coach you have to have either or both.
Hopefully this thread can be one where we don't recycle and regurgitate the same talking points over and over and we focus on the transfer portal (now that is going to get rolling).
A couple of names with potential IU involvement:
-Stefan Vaaks - 6'7" wing/guard from Providence - Vaaks is from Estonia and was a freshman for Kim English. English was fired and Vaaks is transferring out. He is already 20 years old and he averaged 15.8 points per game and 3.2 assists per game. Providence was not a good rebounding team and Vaaks definitely wasn't too interested in crashing the boards but he's a good scorer and shooter with good size. The one area that he'll need to improve quite a bit is defensively. He was a very positive offensive player and a negative defensive player. That's not surprising for a freshman playing for the first time in the US but it was not pretty. If IU grabs Vaaks, he projects as a starting guard/wing and they'd need to address the defense and rebounding with athletic, strong, defensive wing (Amari Evans fits the bill) and a rim protecting center. Vaaks would be a fun addition though. 91-260 from three: 17 against VT, 14 against Penn, 15 against PSU with +9.3 BPM, 11 against Wisconsin, 10 against Florida, 16 against St. John's (+24.4 BPM), 21 against X, 21 against Villanova, 24 against Creighton, 26 against Marquette, 25 against Villanova, 20 against Butler, 20 against Seton Hall, 20 against St. John's, 28 against Butler, 23 against St. John's....he can fill it up.
-Adam Olsen - South Alabama - 6'8" with one year left - 40+% three-point sniper with a quick release. Probably a 4 in IU's system but again, doesn't really solve the defense or rebounding issue. Really good shooter though and could be a good puzzle piece if IU looked at him.
Saw this too late. Will do.
Hopefully this thread can be one where we don't recycle and regurgitate the same talking points over and over and we focus on the transfer portal (now that is going to get rolling).
A couple of names with potential IU involvement:
-Stefan Vaaks - 6'7" wing/guard from Providence - Vaaks is from Estonia and was a freshman for Kim English. English was fired and Vaaks is transferring out. He is already 20 years old and he averaged 15.8 points per game and 3.2 assists per game. Providence was not a good rebounding team and Vaaks definitely wasn't too interested in crashing the boards but he's a good scorer and shooter with good size. The one area that he'll need to improve quite a bit is defensively. He was a very positive offensive player and a negative defensive player. That's not surprising for a freshman playing for the first time in the US but it was not pretty. If IU grabs Vaaks, he projects as a starting guard/wing and they'd need to address the defense and rebounding with athletic, strong, defensive wing (Amari Evans fits the bill) and a rim protecting center. Vaaks would be a fun addition though. 91-260 from three: 17 against VT, 14 against Penn, 15 against PSU with +9.3 BPM, 11 against Wisconsin, 10 against Florida, 16 against St. John's (+24.4 BPM), 21 against X, 21 against Villanova, 24 against Creighton, 26 against Marquette, 25 against Villanova, 20 against Butler, 20 against Seton Hall, 20 against St. John's, 28 against Butler, 23 against St. John's....he can fill it up.
-Adam Olsen - South Alabama - 6'8" with one year left - 40+% three-point sniper with a quick release. Probably a 4 in IU's system but again, doesn't really solve the defense or rebounding issue. Really good shooter though and could be a good puzzle piece if IU looked at him.
Vaaks is an interesting case. Hit 35% on 3s as a 1st year player, taking over 8 a game. Looking at his per 40 minute stats, averaged only 3.2 rebounds, which is horrible for a 6 7 206 lb guy, but he was also at 4.1 on assists v. only 2.4 on TOs. Also, 84% foul shooter.
Hoosiers, I'll respond and then lets get back to transfer talk on this thread per TJ.....Zeke was talking about Painter, Coack K, Hurley not having charisma....I said they had "gravitas", but here's another way of looking at it....those guys all have an "edge" about them. They'll tell you what they really think....same for Izzo, Gard, fatboy from Illinois......then guys like Dusty May, Pearl, even Tom Crean have charisma. DeVries has neither. I think he's a basketball lifer (17 years at Creighton) who is afraid to say anything other than coach speak. Small town guy, career assistant, mid-range schools. A more pleasant Archie, except that Archie was a very good player for a big-time school. I feel that DeVries would have benefitted from more years at West Virginia. A screw-up by Dolson, imo.@mushroomgod you need enough personality to get buy in from the team. Being charismatic
It would seem so. The "Doorknob" label is perfect. I am fond of my own "Durwood DeVries", but I think it might imply a level of stupidity that's not there. I don't think he's dumb. He's just milk toast. Can you imagine him telling a good joke? Or being pissed off enough that he was ready to kick someone's ass? Me neither. You would think that 'steadiness' might be a virtue with him, but it's really not. It's very strange. Dolson's interview with him must have been a short one.
EDIT...want to add this here as a reply to Zeke, who says that Jurley, Painter, Coach K also don't have "charisma". Maybe....but all of them have gravitas....to be a good coach you have to have either or both.
no I can't see any of that. He's seemingly a nice guy. And having met him I can likely see he is. But inspiring or charismatic nah...I wouldn't run through a brick wall for that guy. If Dolson hired him because he was more agreeable than McCollum or whomever that's a red flag. Been there done that. That's an expensive track to follow. He's a simp ... that's definitely what we don't need
Hoosiers, I'll respond and then lets get back to transfer talk on this thread per TJ.....Zeke was talking about Painter, Coack K, Hurley not having charisma....I said they had "gravitas", but here's another way of looking at it....those guys all have an "edge" about them. They'll tell you what they really think....same for Izzo, Gard, fatboy from Illinois......then guys like Dusty May, Pearl, even Tom Crean have charisma. DeVries has neither. I think he's a basketball lifer (17 years at Creighton) who is afraid to say anything other than coach speak. Small town guy, career assistant, mid-range schools. A more pleasant Archie, except that Archie was a very good player for a big-time school. I feel that DeVries would have benefitted from more years at West Virginia. A screw-up by Dolson, imo.@mushroomgod you need enough personality to get buy in from the team. Being charismatic
It would seem so. The "Doorknob" label is perfect. I am fond of my own "Durwood DeVries", but I think it might imply a level of stupidity that's not there. I don't think he's dumb. He's just milk toast. Can you imagine him telling a good joke? Or being pissed off enough that he was ready to kick someone's ass? Me neither. You would think that 'steadiness' might be a virtue with him, but it's really not. It's very strange. Dolson's interview with him must have been a short one.
EDIT...want to add this here as a reply to Zeke, who says that Jurley, Painter, Coach K also don't have "charisma". Maybe....but all of them have gravitas....to be a good coach you have to have either or both.
no I can't see any of that. He's seemingly a nice guy. And having met him I can likely see he is. But inspiring or charismatic nah...I wouldn't run through a brick wall for that guy. If Dolson hired him because he was more agreeable than McCollum or whomever that's a red flag. Been there done that. That's an expensive track to follow. He's a simp ... that's definitely what we don't need
I can agree with that ... an edge. A presence. Met Coach K as well, there's a presence with him. The others you mentioned well. A confidence ..DD is meh. Done