It’s absolutely ridiculous this program is in this position. IU can’t hire one decent, ethical coach since Knight. Unbelievable incompetence.
Get serious and offer Dusty $10 million along with plenty of NIL. Enough farting around.
Beard is the only sure thing we could get right now and IU would never hire him.
Even Diebler and OSU are on a completely different level than us. Sad.
@dbmhoosier I wasn't keen on the idea of Beard during the coaching search, but now I'd cut off a toe* if it brought him to Bloomington.
*Not the big or little toe.
- 46 3FG attempts
- 16 2FG attempts
That's fu**ing embarrassing. It takes ZERO coaching talent to roll out the ball and say, "Chuck it from the cheap seats."
This dude wasn't the answer when he was hired, he's not the answer now, and he won't be the answer in three years. But ... he's better than Arch and Woody, so ... yippee???
Thank god for Cig.
You would think against CHICAGO STATE you would use the game to say we are going to work on our overall inside and middle game and find how to create easy shots, or, wide open threes. I.E. nothing from further than just outside the line and only if our ball movement was so good it is open.
Be like Norman Dale. How many passes? four... How many?! ... four! ... FOUR!!!
But, same movie... Sorry I opened my mouth coach. You are the boss. Wont happen again.
Don't get me started. He's not the answer. And most of you know where I stand especially Surjay and IUNorth. I'm done with the guy
Don't get me started. He's not the answer. And most of you know where I stand especially Surjay and IUNorth. I'm done with the guy
So what's the solution? Bring back Crean?
It's easy to complain. It's not easy to come up with a realistic solution.
so I'll be coy too.. that's a dumb response. Who would hire Crean ... espn that's it.
I've put many suggestions out there. No one wants to listen because of protocol or they want to pump sunshine and be nice. When millions are on the line there isn't time to be "nice ".
If you want to hear. Fine. If that's more
coyness then you can re read threads
this guy if lost. And he's not finding his way
so I'll be coy too.. that's a dumb response. Who would hire Crean ... espn that's it.
I've put many suggestions out there. No one wants to listen because of protocol or they want to pump sunshine and be nice. When millions are on the line there isn't time to be "nice ".
If you want to hear. Fine. If that's morecoyness then you can re read threads
this guy if lost. And he's not finding his way
alright I’ll bite. We can have an honest conversation about hoops and I say this respectfully and not trying to be a dick head.
The basketball fan base is way more disinterested than I thought. I didn’t expect there to be sunshine pumpers or automatic buy in, but I did expect a little more curiosity.
DeVries wasn’t the first guy on any of our lists and could be seen as an underwhelming hire for IU. That doesn’t inspire a ton of excitement.
We all knew the roster was flawed. Today’s game kinda summed it up perfectly with hot shooting in the first half and ice cold in the second.
I thought this team could win between 9-11 Big Ten games and that’d be a good first step for this staff.
I understand the gripes about roster construction and style of play etc. I also am more understanding of cutting bait quickly if it won’t work.
However, one year may be too early for me. Unless this thing goes totally off the rails.
The program is in worse shape than I thought from the Archie and WoodsonEra ls and the Minnesota and UK losses really poured cold water on anyone who may have been excited.
We’ll see what happens, but there is ZERO reason IU can’t be good at both major sports.
so I'll be coy too.. that's a dumb response. Who would hire Crean ... espn that's it.
I've put many suggestions out there. No one wants to listen because of protocol or they want to pump sunshine and be nice. When millions are on the line there isn't time to be "nice ".
If you want to hear. Fine. If that's morecoyness then you can re read threads
this guy if lost. And he's not finding his way
alright I’ll bite. We can have an honest conversation about hoops and I say this respectfully and not trying to be a dick head.
The basketball fan base is way more disinterested than I thought. I didn’t expect there to be sunshine pumpers or automatic buy in, but I did expect a little more curiosity.
DeVries wasn’t the first guy on any of our lists and could be seen as an underwhelming hire for IU. That doesn’t inspire a ton of excitement.
We all knew the roster was flawed. Today’s game kinda summed it up perfectly with hot shooting in the first half and ice cold in the second.
I thought this team could win between 9-11 Big Ten games and that’d be a good first step for this staff.
I understand the gripes about roster construction and style of play etc. I also am more understanding of cutting bait quickly if it won’t work.
However, one year may be too early for me. Unless this thing goes totally off the rails.
The program is in worse shape than I thought from the Archie and WoodsonEra ls and the Minnesota and UK losses really poured cold water on anyone who may have been excited.
We’ll see what happens, but there is ZERO reason IU can’t be good at both major sports.
we should be competitive, in fact good , at both sports. No reason we shouldn't.
To me, if you've deemed an employee to be inept and a detriment to the company , you don't wait to let them go. You sever ties immediately. Everyone's well being (pay) is affected by their incompetence. The livelihood of the company is put into jeopardy when that said person continues to devalue the company's reputation, sales , culture etc.
As of today, keeping him around is emotional. If he doesn't turn this around and how then he's devaluing the company and all those who depend on it. From less NIL, less attendance , less concessions , less apparel. That affects even admin personal. Hell it could effect your company Sammy... I would bet you'd have more subscribers if both football and basketball were rocking. And at this point we have had way too much damage sustained to sit idle for 2-3 more years. Yes if we fire him after 1 year we may initially get some flack , but if we make the right hire that soon will fade. In contrast if they screw it up again there will be plenty to bring that quick firing up. But again if our results are lackluster it's easy to squelch that argument. We'd be no worse off if we struck out again. We aren't as important in the world of college basketball as "we" all think we are. A whole generation of fans hasn't seen us hardly make the tournament and only get out of the first round a handful of times. How much worse can it get.
I continually bring up Scott Drew , mostly because I know him quite well, but also because he's an easy example of someone who would immediately improve our program Now would he lead us to the promised land , that can be debated is he the right hire , not sure ... but he's a better hire than DD
But we need someone with charisma and a high basketball IQ , a recruiter , a coach that can X and O and in real time to make adjustments Surrounded by great assistants Yes you say no shit, there's someone out there I just don't think they've ponied up or done the work
I still think SD should have gone harder after McCollum. Maybe he did and there was no way he wasn’t taking the Iowa job. I hope DD can turn this thing around. This year is lost cause. This team just isn’t talented enough to be competitive against good teams. He is going to really need a great off season. We need some dogs! It is amazing how IU seems to always be a bridesmaid in basketball when you look back on the coaches we missed over the years!
Cignetti had better keep winning or it is going to get UGLY because IU never admits a mistake until it is forced to. DeVries will get three years minimum. Check back in 2028.
@hoosiers94 all good points and the damage from Archie and Woody is way worse than I imagined. Yes, it does suck for us too.
I’m not advocating for either way and I do think discussions have to be held at least casually right now.
For me to make a major change there needs to be several boxes to check.
1. What’s the cost benefit? Is paying the buyout costing IU more than lost revenue and donations? (Answer probably).
2. Do you have a replacement ready to go? One of the issues with the DeVries hire was how long it took and how late in the cycle he could get into recruit.
3. is that next coach better than the current coach? (Maybe, but depends on who you hire)
4. Is this a coaching issue or is this an IU issue? (Why has IU failed to return to national prominence. Is it just the coach? Is it the support system of the program or some other internal issue? And if they fix that issue does it fix everything else?)
IU has to be asking all these questions and we went through the same things with the end of the Allen Era. It became worse to keep him than to shell out the buyout.
The bottom line is IU needs to find the root cause of the issue. As a former teacher, I can tell you that changing personnel every year is more of a sign that something deeper is wrong than you’re hiring the wrong people. However, that’s not mutually exclusive. But to have a run from 2017-2025 with 2 NCAA berths, something needs to be evaluated deeper.
I think we are on the same page. Can it be better to cut bait early? Yes, but you need to do your due diligence before making that call.
Doug McDermott , NBA player and son of Creighton coach, sang high praises when Devries was hired. Repeatedly says his personna is so mild but, not really. Says he can recruit. Says he can coach any style even though he loves to run and shoot.
I had to go back to reread several coaches from last spring, saying Devries is a smart and determined coach. We have him for several years, at least two. Let us hope so.
we are way too righteous. We turned ourselves in to the NCAA with Sampson. Sometimes , as a teacher , as a parent , you have to turn away or pick your battles. The guys we hire and hence the kids they recruit.. we are sooo worried about being saintly we shoot ourselves in the foot. In order to recruit those kids we have to have a no BS coach. Like Cig. Everyone says Cig is an anamoly we won't find another. Well 3 years ago many said it about our football program. The coaches we've hired both in basketball and football my oh my. And the coaches we've lost by "being honorable". That and 3 bucks gets you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
What's DD's buyout at seasons end? And why do we keep giving these coaches in training these buyout clauses???
you mentioned timing ... my lord Woodson stepped aside before the season was over and you mean to tell me we can't find a guy in time to start recruiting and working the portal we hired a guy who had a roster He brought his son that's it so that tells me he isn't the guy
on the face of it I was for more or less cleaning house after last year but honestly I thought 2-3 guys would stay .. did he even attempt to keep anyone ? I'm not saying they would have made a difference but that tells me that at least DD has some closing ability on a recruit. It's not hard to recruit your son.
I'm at the end of my rope , I know many others that are too. So we all lop off and it keeps multiplying.