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@mattndallas 💯 old mushy peas was taking direction from progressives


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Posted : 09/22/2025 11:37 am
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The "and/or" in Kirks statement makes it worse.

Break it down.  He said that Biden should

A) be tried (half of the "or")

B) he should be executed without trial (the other half of the "or")

C) he should be both tried and executed (the "and" scenario).

Agreeing with proposed "remedy" A, which you apparently do, is no reason to deny that remedies B & C were not also very clearly proposed.


"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

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Posted : 09/22/2025 11:43 am
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@shooter no you’re mischaracterizing.  He was referring to the punishment.  I.e. for crimes.  There are two choices.  Show me where he said without trial. You imputed that.


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Posted : 09/22/2025 11:47 am
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@shooter Kirk isn’t a lawyer. But make no mistake Biden’s actions were clearly planned etc with zero regard for how he would imperil the lives of others. Reckless af


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Posted : 09/22/2025 11:50 am
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@shooter Donald Trump is mother Theresa when compared to Joe Biden


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Posted : 09/22/2025 11:51 am
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Posted by: @mcm666

@shooter no you’re mischaracterizing. ...Show me where he said without trial. You imputed that.

Do you understand the meaning of the word "or"?

He said that Biden should be tried, or executed, or tried and executed.

 

I am fine with suggesting trial.  I am not fine with execution without trial.  You apparently are OK with either.

 

Kirk knew what his words meant. He was not sloppy.

 


"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

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Posted : 09/22/2025 11:54 am
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the same cannot be said for many of those who came to his mic.  they often were angry, disrespectful and acted childish when they realized that they’d lost the argument 

 

To be fair, weren't most of the people he 'argued' with college kids? I'm not saying anything you said is wrong, but it's stands to reason that kids acting childish is par for the course. 


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Posted : 09/22/2025 11:57 am
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@shooter show me the quote. I’m doing multiple things. Here’s the quote I see:

“Biden should be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for crimes against America”


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Posted : 09/22/2025 11:59 am
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Posted by: @mcm666

@shooter Donald Trump is mother Theresa when compared to Joe Biden

This is just silly. Come on, man. 


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Posted : 09/22/2025 12:00 pm
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@ohio-guy it’s a fact. What Biden did with the border is unthinkable.  People murdered. Children raped.


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Posted : 09/22/2025 12:02 pm
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@shooter where did you go?  show me the quote?  i want to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not allowing your bias to mischaracterize what he said or impute Mo that wasn’t there


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Posted : 09/22/2025 12:19 pm
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Posted by: @ohio-guy

Posted by: @drjb

the same cannot be said for many of those who came to his mic.  they often were angry, disrespectful and acted childish when they realized that they’d lost the argument 

 

To be fair, weren't most of the people he 'argued' with college kids? I'm not saying anything you said is wrong, but it's stands to reason that kids acting childish is par for the course. 

i remember one with a guy that looked my age (69)

he seriously was challenging kirk to a fistfight

no, plenty of unhinged adults were involved. professors too

 


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Topic starter Posted : 09/22/2025 12:50 pm
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guy that wanted to fight...


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Topic starter Posted : 09/22/2025 12:56 pm
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One thing Bennett gets wrong - and this isn't really about Kirk, but I think you could include him - is missing the reality that too many people who engage in the practice of trying to change people with persuasion fail to open themselves up to the same. It's a one way conversation. Kirk was sharing his wisdom with others, hoping some would be convinced. I doubt he ever took the time to remind himself "You don't know everything, remember to keep open the possibility someone in that crowd might change your mind."

The short of it is this: it's commendable that some people what to persuade. I agree with Brad that democracy done right uses words, not violence. But what I find lacking is any of these great persuaders willing to take the next step into actual dialogue.


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Posted : 09/22/2025 1:03 pm
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another one......

best comment was "who lit the fuse on her tampon?"

 


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