@shooter Oh my you are one of these crazy woke lunatics. My guess is that had she ran that Ice agent over and killed him we wouldn’t hear a peep out of you.
She was still moving her vehicle to leave the scene. Video evidence has made that perfectly clear.
Video evidence indeed makes that clear. But that isn’t relevant. What did the officer see at the instant he drew and fired.
Here is what I saw.
When the backup lights went off he was in front of the vehicle.
At that point the front wheels were pointed left.
The vehicle moved forward at a speed faster than idle. She must have applied pressure to the accelerator.
As the vehicle moved forward, the wheels were turning to the right.
The vehicle was accelerating.
The officer was not in a position to see the front wheels.
Gunsmoke appears when he is in front of vehicle, vehicle accelerating and moving forward.
Second shot fired when vehicle was moving past him.
Had he waited half second or so, would have known no danger.
she had cleared him and was moving to the right when he unholstered and started firing...
I don’t think that is correct.
I don’t think that is correct.
The first shot went through the windshield, as you see here. You can tell from the bullet hole location that the shot came from at best a 45 degree angle and not from in front of the car. Then the other two shots came through the blasted out side window.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcAoD5jWc73LUQZNStiAdKio2DUFRPxiYUgQ&s
https://www.npr.org/2026/01/07/nx-s1-5670387/an-immigration-crackdown-gone-wrong-what-do-we-know
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
Side window was open.
OK, made the kill shots easier, I guess.
it's clear from the windshield bullet hole that the first shot, through the windshield, was also at least partially from the side, wouldn't you agree?
In fact, to a first approximation, the point where the photographer was standing when taking the photo lines up pretty well with the bullet hole and the driver's likely position and would be about where the shooter was standing when he pulled the trigger
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcAoD5jWc73LUQZNStiAdKio2DUFRPxiYUgQ&s
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@shooter I think we'll probably get to the point where... Its pretty obvious he could have easily just stepped to his right... and from her actions while backing up, and then the nature of her pulling forward, and then to the right... she was NOT attempting to run him over, and that should have been obvious.
BUT... there's enough doubt with her initially pulling straight forward...her not listening to the initial ICE agents commands... the shooting agent will have plenty of cover under the statutes, and then just him saying, or actually believing, whatever the case is, that he feared for his life.
All conjecture. Its awful. ICE agents shouldn't be gathering together and "raiding" places how they are, using intimidation, etc... But the response shouldn't be groups of people surrounding heavily armed ICE agents, blocking their way, beating on their vehicles. None of it is leading to a good place. Chicken or the egg? Should the protesters just "allow it to happen"? If they feel its unjust. Should the ICE agents, who are carrying out orders, just put up with protesters, and leave their directives/missions at the first signs of resistance?
I think a good place to start is we don't need a Gestapo, today, in the United States. Its not who we are. Its not who we should want to be. THOSE means are not justifiable, no matter the goals or the end.
Do we need two different ICE murderer threads?
In fairness, this should have been a new thread from the start and not lumped into the Somali corruption thread.
I have decided to turn around in a street, yes. Never in a city street and never in a busy place. It was a bad driving decision. Punishable by death, according to some, it seems.
Why was she waving cars through? She paused in her 3-point turn, seeing that she might be perceived as being in the way, backed up more to be less in the way, and waved cars through to indicate that it wasn't her intent at all to block traffic. Then a car came up all filled with self-importance and couldn't be bothered to drive around her.
If you would have kept your Hot Wheels on the bike path it wouldn't have been an issue.
Question for the lawyers on the board... As more of the video evidence is coming out... and its becoming more and more clear the agent that fired was NOT in the vehicles path, she had cleared him and was moving to the right when he unholstered and started firing... Is there any world where this dude can be arrested, charged, and convicted of murder?
Not in the vehicles path but was hit by the vehicle. 🤔
https://twitter.com/i/status/2009227706718933223
I'll admit, I was wrong. I initially thought that the first shot may have been at least partially justified, as a LEO being in the path of the car. He wasn't, though, when he pulled the trigger the first time. See his feet? BOTH of them? As the rising gunsmoke indicates (this is a still shot from the NYT video)
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
The Trump haters are so humorous and unhinged when something lke this happens. I don't see how it is much different than the regular police gunning down someone. where were all the posts about this.
The written U.S. DOJ Policy on Use of Deadly Force:
“Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury … and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”
“Also, placing oneself in the path of a moving vehicle constitutes officer-created jeopardy and undermines any claim that deadly force was necessary”
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@sharinincarmel Definitely, I acknowledged the concerns about surrounding federal agents how they were. Doesn't change the FACT that those tires were turned to the right, and she was pulling AWAY to the right. Not trying to run down the agent.
And I'm in the camp that both Obama, and Trumps early efforts on immigration, were needed, and beneficial. And Biden's were awful, and set us back. Things DID need to be changed, and done, after Biden's Presidency. But the ICE agents, how and what they're doing, it isn't American, it isn't how this should be done. The ends don't justify these means. And its pretty rich for "the right" to expect "the left" to just lie down and accept these Gestapo tactics... and yes, that's exactly what they are. When a pretty large faction of "the right" holds their beliefs that the government should just leave them the phuck alone, and if they don't, they'll fight back with like force.
She wasn't running him down. You know that and everyone else does. The scariest part is our top officials, including the President, are lying about it, and trying to force the false narrative down everyone's throat.
Next move... when people protest over this... is to demonize the protesters. Brilliant political move by our President, yet again... using hate to pit all of us against each other. He's nothing if not consistent.
Yeah, he definitely should have looked down at her tires from the front of the car when it lurched towards him.🙄. The fact is neither you, me, the LEO, nor anyone else has the luxury of knowing what her intentions were. What he did have was the experience personally of needing medical treatment after getting dragged by a protester in a car in a similar situation, dozens of examples & threats of people wanting to do him harm, & her non-compliance. Many of the protesters are violent, willing to disregard the law, & impede the activities of federal agents. I saw someone else use the example, if I don’t like what the IRS taxes me, is it ok to block the agents from entering their work, threaten their lives, & close off the streets surrounding their job? If the FBI is investigating something I don’t agree with, is it ok for me to impede or disrupt their investigation? These people need to go home & write their Congressman.
Fvck that lady & anyone else who gets shot, killed, or whatever if they are impeding LEO activities. This applies to Ashli Babbitt, this lady, whoever, but watching some slow-mo videos & then condemning him for acting when he felt his life was in danger is idiotic.