@big-ryan It’s not unconstitutional and I remember looking at polls and voter confidence was abysmal. For both parties. To me that’s all that matters. If there’s a perception problem fix it. And no I don’t believe there was widespread material fraud.
The biggest reason for the perception of there being a problem is directly due to Trump lying that there is a problem. Getting people to distrust the election results is an attack on our democracy.
https://twitter.com/ericldaugh/status/2018703572016287879?s=61&t=1KiTJ7EYgX-uQgf4Wkb9sg
Seems like a lot of folks are buying it then.😆
Trump craves unchecked power. The prospect of the House flipping in November is enormously unsettling for him and he’ll do everything he can (including sending the National Guard to key districts, seizing voting machines, stirring the pot and finding some reason for invoking the Insurrection Act, delaying the vote or the counting of the vote) to keep that from happening. The president, constitutionally, has no power with respect to elections but that won’t stop him. He will likely defy the Constitution and the only guardrail will be the courts. We’ll see how that goes.
I’m not pulling this from thin air. He said last month he should have used the National Guard to seize voting machines in 2020. He called yesterday for a Republican “take over” of elections in “many” places. His Justice Department is seeking full state voter roll data, and they’re suing at least 24 states that are resisting. He’s apparently personally overseeing the search of voter records in Fulton County GA and spoke directly with FBI agents on the ground there yesterday. He’s still obsessed with his election loss in 2020 - - the one where he failed on every legal challenge and scores of audits and recounts. Last week he reposted discredited conspiracy theories as to why he lost that baselessly implicated Italy, China, Switzerland, the CIA and the FBI. He has “joked” about canceling elections during war. In an interview last month with Reuters, he said “when you think of it, we shouldn’t even have an election.”
It’s time for reasonable people to speak out. Enough with this bullshit.
@big-ryan He’s right. And it’s not illegal if limited to Federal. Nationalize it, as in other countries, get professional administrators not partisans, and fund it. Only eligible voters vote and we get a correct count. The patchwork method is silly. It would instill voter confidence and both parties would benefit.
It would still be patchwork. Instead of state and local officials administering elections, you'd have feds who had to specialize in the intricacies of the state they were assigned to, since there are slight variations from state to state. Unless you want the feds to overhaul the entire system, make global restrictions for felony disenfranchisement, etc., and even then you would run into thorny issues because, for example, the feds would not have the power to overrule the states' authority to set qualifications for electors to the House, at the least, so you could end up in a situation where you are handing out different ballots to different voters depending on whether they are allowed to vote for state races only, or state and House races only, or all of them. In the long run, it might become even more complicated than it is now.
@goat Feds just nationalize Fed elections. States do their own however they want for state offices props etc. So yes separate.
Trump craves unchecked power. The prospect of the House flipping in November is enormously unsettling for him and he’ll do everything he can (including sending the National Guard to key districts, seizing voting machines, stirring the pot and finding some reason for invoking the Insurrection Act, delaying the vote or the counting of the vote) to keep that from happening. The president, constitutionally, has no power with respect to elections but that won’t stop him. He will likely defy the Constitution and the only guardrail will be the courts. We’ll see how that goes.
I’m not pulling this from thin air. He said last month he should have used the National Guard to seize voting machines in 2020. He called yesterday for a Republican “take over” of elections in “many” places. His Justice Department is seeking full state voter roll data, and they’re suing at least 24 states that are resisting. He’s apparently personally overseeing the search of voter records in Fulton County GA and spoke directly with FBI agents on the ground there yesterday. He’s still obsessed with his election loss in 2020 - - the one where he failed on every legal challenge and scores of audits and recounts. Last week he reposted discredited conspiracy theories as to why he lost that baselessly implicated Italy, China, Switzerland, the CIA and the FBI. He has “joked” about canceling elections during war. In an interview last month with Reuters, he said “when you think of it, we shouldn’t even have an election.”
It’s time for reasonable people to speak out. Enough with this bullshit.
You’d better look under your bed for the boogeyman tonight!
It would still be patchwork. Instead of state and local officials administering elections, you'd have feds who had to specialize in the intricacies of the state they were assigned to, since there are slight variations from state to state. Unless you want the feds to overhaul the entire system, make global restrictions for felony disenfranchisement, etc., and even then you would run into thorny issues because, for example, the feds would not have the power to overrule the states' authority to set qualifications for electors to the House, at the least, so you could end up in a situation where you are handing out different ballots to different voters depending on whether they are allowed to vote for state races only, or state and House races only, or all of them. In the long run, it might become even more complicated than it is now.
Patchwork is good.
"A remarkable thing about election law in America is how decentralized it is. It relies on obscure local officials such as county canvassing boards, along with armies of community volunteers . . . Centralizers and systemizers might call this a patchwork quilt. What it also is . . . is a source of deep resilience. Part of this is practical: with dozens of voting systems in use, if a newly introduced machine is overly subject to breakdown, at least it isn't causing havoc everywhere at once. If some states adopt a bad or inefficient practice . . . they can profit from the example of [another state] that has implemented more efficient methods after its own costly experience. Far more important, it prevents a power from being centralized that would be dangerously tempting to demagogues and authoritarians. We are so lucky that elections have never been federalized. No one in Washington can give orders to fire local election board officials.
"I hadn't seen it when I spoke but economist Steve Landsburg had recently written a superb opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal making this point better than I had: 'Imagine a future presidential election in which the incumbent refuses to concede and enlists the full power of the federal government to overturn the apparent democratic outcome. Now imagine that the election in question is actually run by a federal agency or by some nationwide quasi-governmental authority charged with collecting and aggregating the results from all 50 states. I don't know about you but I might worry a bit about the pressure that could be brought to bear on that single authority.'"
The Framers Wisely Left Election Practice Decentralized | Cato at Liberty Blog
Just place some heavily armed masked thugs at all voting places who demand to see ID and who gun you down if you are mouthy about it or have an accent. What could go wrong?
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
Just place some heavily armed masked thugs at all voting places who demand to see ID and who gun you down if you are mouthy about it or have an accent. What could go wrong?
One track mind….I just realized I work with someone just like you. The extent of his knowledge comes from what he reads on facebook as well
Very little facebook for me (for seeing sharing dog and baby pics, mostly), no X at all, no MSNBC viewing, no CNN other than now and then Anderson Cooper. I do like BBC news and listen to NPR on my 10-15 minute commute.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
Very little facebook for me (for seeing sharing dog and baby pics, mostly), no X at all, no MSNBC viewing, no CNN other than now and then Anderson Cooper. I do like BBC news and listen to NPR on my 10-15 minute commute.
All that garbage you post comes directly out of that melon of yours? That’s even worse
@spartans9312 He offers absolutely nothing to any thread he is ever in. He’s just so emotionally and mentally beaten by Trump he can’t engage in any meaningful discussion. Pathetic. To let someone do that to you. Weak.
sharonmurt, the prototypical beta, chimes in. Swallows what the cult feeds him / her / them and recycles the same talking points.
Well, he / she / it / they is more like an omega. As low as you can go...
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@spartans9312 The lunatics you see at marches. Terribly dressed. Horrible shape. Misfits. That’s him. To the letter
@big-ryan I think there’s a lot of valid points there and congruent with the whole notion of states being labs etc. However in this instance I think that lack of uniformity isn’t an area to adopt the best practices but is the problem. Many countries have Fed elections. Federalize it. ID required. 3 full days to vote. Mail in only for disabled and military. States do what they want
@spartans9312 He offers absolutely nothing to any thread he is ever in. He’s just so emotionally and mentally beaten by Trump he can’t engage in any meaningful discussion. Pathetic. To let someone do that to you. Weak.
