She was convicted. No client list. They had the flight logs and testimony. These are all facts.
Sounds like the kinds of things that could be used to develop a client list...like I said earlier.
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She was convicted. No client list. They had the flight logs and testimony. These are all facts.
Sounds like the kinds of things that could be used to develop a client list...like I said earlier.
Sorry, I assumed you knew something about the trial and what was presented.
@aloha-hoosier it was one of the many ridiculous lies that they fell for and voted for.
Is any of this debate just about semantics?
Eliminate the use of the word "list." Do you believe it is important to know the names of the people accused of having sex on Epstein Island with underaged girls?
I think it's gross and they should go after whoever they can go after, but I don't really care about knowing the names, myself.
Of course, none of this excuses elected officials being deceptive with the American public. Maybe we're used to it at this point, but it sure seems like a lot of people are angry about this.
If a government released the names of those accused, or of those in the plane, or of those on the island, we’d increase the national debt by $T’s just to pay the damage claims. If the government has the goods to bring indictments, it should do so, otherwise this “list” business is finished.
Is any of this debate just about semantics?
Eliminate the use of the word "list." Do you believe it is important to know the names of the people accused of having sex on Epstein Island with underaged girls?
I think it's gross and they should go after whoever they can go after, but I don't really care about knowing the names, myself.
Of course, none of this excuses elected officials being deceptive with the American public. Maybe we're used to it at this point, but it sure seems like a lot of people are angry about this.
If a government released the names of those accused, or of those in the plane, or of those on the island, we’d increase the national debt by $T’s just to pay the damage claims. If the government has the goods to bring indictments, it should do so, otherwise this “list” business is finished.
The flight logs containing names of everyone that flew on his plane was used as evidence in the Maxwell trial. It’s available online.
All of them? If so people could make their own list.
I linked it two or three times on the WC. I'm not going to look for it again while on my phone. You can find it pretty easily if you want to.
I have no idea if every person that flew on the plane is listed, but it's a long log with names like Trump, Clinton and other big wigs on it. There was no testimony in Maxwell's trial that Trump and Clinton were involved in any of the criminal pedo behavior.
True. But don't you think it was, at a minimum, irresponsible to pretend like you not only had a list but would soon be releasing it? It simply adds napalm to an a raging fire on both ends of the political spectrum. Hell, the number of claims and theories in this thread alone about who is responsible for hiding the list and why is astonishing. And, some of those claims/theories are from posters who are arguably sane.Is any of this debate just about semantics?
Eliminate the use of the word "list." Do you believe it is important to know the names of the people accused of having sex on Epstein Island with underaged girls?
I think it's gross and they should go after whoever they can go after, but I don't really care about knowing the names, myself.
Of course, none of this excuses elected officials being deceptive with the American public. Maybe we're used to it at this point, but it sure seems like a lot of people are angry about this.
If a government released the names of those accused, or of those in the plane, or of those on the island, we’d increase the national debt by $T’s just to pay the damage claims. If the government has the goods to bring indictments, it should do so, otherwise this “list” business is finished.
@noodle the entire thing is bizarre. these cases have been prosecuted forever going back to the 15th cir in pbc. discovery. there is a list. there isn't a list. it's all so dumb.
@aloha-hoosier (The flight logs containing names of everyone that flew on his plane was used as evidence in the Maxwell trial. It’s available online.)
Yes, but those flight logs are not really the same thing as "Epstein's List." There are a myriad of reasons someone may have flown on Epstein's plane. But, to the general public, and more so the lunatic fringes, there is only one reason someone's name would appear on Epstein's List.
@aloha-hoosier (The flight logs containing names of everyone that flew on his plane was used as evidence in the Maxwell trial. It’s available online.)
Yes, but those flight logs are not really the same thing as "Epstein's List." There are a myriad of reasons someone may have flown on Epstein's plane. But, to the general public, and more so the lunatic fringes, there is only one reason someone's name would appear on Epstein's List.
I've more or less resigned myself to the fact that outside of Esptein and Maxwell, no one is actually going to be held accountable here. The Trump administration is quick to want to sweep this under the rug, but I'm not convinced any administration's DOJ wouldn't want to move on from this just as quickly.
I do think that this AG is a special kind of stupid though. I wish someone would hold her feet to the fire and ask her about what was on her desk in February, but no one will.
Anyone watch all ten hours of footage? This part shocked me.
https://twitter.com/Alphafox78/status/1942558487201919346
All of them? If so people could make their own list.
I linked it two or three times on the WC. I'm not going to look for it again while on my phone. You can find it pretty easily if you want to.
I have no idea if every person that flew on the plane is listed, but it's a long log with names like Trump, Clinton and other big wigs on it. There was no testimony in Maxwell's trial that Trump and Clinton were involved in any of the criminal pedo behavior.
Flew on the plane, but no evidence Trump flew to the island.
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