@spartans9312 Silly. There are a million movies based on books and endings are changed all the time, often to make a happy ending. This is a MYTH, not a historical event.
@spartans9312 Silly. There are a million movies based on books and endings are changed all the time, often to make a happy ending. This is a MYTH, not a historical event.
Like I said…I don’t care. I had read thru the thread and then saw the post on polymarket. Thought it might interest some
I won't talk about it, since many haven't seen the movie yet, but the change he made is fine. It detracts to the extent you might want to see how Nolan would portray the ancient Greeks as we think we know them, but the poem's version isn't really necessary for the story Nolan is telling (in fact, it runs counter to it).@spartans9312 that’s actually disappointing. I like to be entertained so it won’t stop me from seeing it but that’s some woke stupidity
That said, I don't think the bit he cut out is misogynist (athough a bit brutal). One could argue that by leaving in the parts they did and cutting out what they did, they make it sexist.
fwiw - there are historical inaccuracies. It's a legend/myth set during the late bronze age collapse. So, ancient historical fiction.
Depicting history in film is more a responsibility of art direction than it is casting.
So ... lets look at historical inaccuracies..
- The armor depicted is incorrect and would not be used for hundreds of years after the story takes place.
- Missing are the feather headdresses worn by common warriors, and the boars tusk helmets worn by the richer warriors.
- The shields used were most likely incorrect. Round shields were present late in that era but more likely they should have been figure eight shaped.
- The ships depicted are incorrect. They're closer to white people DEI ships used in a much later era.
- The key prop of the story/film is incorrect. The Bow of Ulysses should have been a palintonos bow. Which are very hard to string. Anyone of moderate strength could string the the bow used.
- I suspect the clothing was incorrect, especially the dresses, but since I'm not an effeminate fashionista like one noted weirdo, I'll let him/her determine that.
- fwiw - The sword used is correct for the culture and time period, so at least they got that right.
I just wanted to mention some of the historical inaccuracies that people bitching about historical inaccuracy have never once mentioned. It's almost if they've never read the story, have no clue and don't GAFF about the history of that era, haven't seen the movie and just want to bitch about black people, trans people and the oppression they suffer from being an old fat ass chronically malcontent white male....
The Bronze Age Collapse is an interesting study. Climate events, draught, famine, mass migration, war. Disruption of trade routes causing economic collapse, invaders coming from the sea and every major power in the western world either disappearing entirely or barely surviving in a highly diminished state.
If anyone actually cared about inaccuracies in historical fiction movies. Then Braveheart, other than being a vehicle for constant Mel Gibson close ups featuring I just farted face, was horribly inaccurate and wouldn't be considered a good movie. Kilts, claymore, inventing pikes, blue paint .. lol.
Good post!fwiw - there are historical inaccuracies. It's a legend/myth set during the late bronze age collapse. So, ancient historical fiction.
Depicting history in film is more a responsibility of art direction than it is casting.
So ... lets look at historical inaccuracies..
- The armor depicted is incorrect and would not be used for hundreds of years after the story takes place.
- Missing are the feather headdresses worn by common warriors, and the boars tusk helmets worn by the richer warriors.
- The shields used were most likely incorrect. Round shields were present late in that era but more likely they should have been figure eight shaped.
- The ships depicted are incorrect. They're closer to white people DEI ships used in a much later era.
- The key prop of the story/film is incorrect. The Bow of Ulysses should have been a palintonos bow. Which are very hard to string. Anyone of moderate strength could string the the bow used.
- I suspect the clothing was incorrect, especially the dresses, but since I'm not an effeminate fashionista like one noted weirdo, I'll let him/her determine that.
- fwiw - The sword used is correct for the culture and time period, so at least they got that right.
I just wanted to mention some of the historical inaccuracies that people bitching about historical inaccuracy have never once mentioned. It's almost if they've never read the story, have no clue and don't GAFF about the history of that era, haven't seen the movie and just want to bitch about black people, trans people and the oppression they suffer from being an old fat ass chronically malcontent white male....
The Bronze Age Collapse is an interesting study. Climate events, draught, famine, mass migration, war. Disruption of trade routes causing economic collapse, invaders coming from the sea and every major power in the western world either disappearing entirely or barely surviving in a highly diminished state.
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I won't talk about it, since many haven't seen the movie yet, but the change he made is fine. It detracts to the extent you might want to see how Nolan would portray the ancient Greeks as we think we know them, but the poem's version isn't really necessary for the story Nolan is telling (in fact, it runs counter to it).@spartans9312 that’s actually disappointing. I like to be entertained so it won’t stop me from seeing it but that’s some woke stupidity
That said, I don't think the bit he cut out is misogynist (athough a bit brutal). One could argue that by leaving in the parts they did and cutting out what they did, they make it sexist.
In your view is Zeus’ Law little more than a substitute for the Golden Rule? Accordingly Nolan made a decidedly pro-Christianity, pro-MAGA film?
It's funny to watch MAGAs claim that anyone who points out the issues with the LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD, who has a substantial impact on all of our lives, must have TDS, but then turn around and are triggered by movies about mythical figures and sports leagues.
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One of the many traits my MAGA "Republican" colleagues share with each other is perpetual grievance and taking offense easily, like snowflakes. I don't have these traits and would hope these guys get a clue at some point that no one likes whiners.It's funny to watch MAGAs claim that anyone who points out the issues with the LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD, who has a substantial impact on all of our lives, must have TDS, but then turn around and are triggered by movies about mythical figures and sports leagues.
One of the many traits my MAGA "Republican" colleagues share with each other is perpetual grievance and taking offense easily, like snowflakes. I don't have these traits and would hope these guys get a clue at some point that no one likes whiners.It's funny to watch MAGAs claim that anyone who points out the issues with the LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD, who has a substantial impact on all of our lives, must have TDS, but then turn around and are triggered by movies about mythical figures and sports leagues.
"A black woman was cast as Helen of Troy?"
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Well, it's enunciated at one point as the Golden Rule, and I think that is inaccurate to the time. As was stated before, this is a much more Christian morality tale than what the Greeks thought of. They would not have thought of the sack of Troy or the Trojan Horse as anything but glorious.I won't talk about it, since many haven't seen the movie yet, but the change he made is fine. It detracts to the extent you might want to see how Nolan would portray the ancient Greeks as we think we know them, but the poem's version isn't really necessary for the story Nolan is telling (in fact, it runs counter to it).@spartans9312 that’s actually disappointing. I like to be entertained so it won’t stop me from seeing it but that’s some woke stupidity
That said, I don't think the bit he cut out is misogynist (athough a bit brutal). One could argue that by leaving in the parts they did and cutting out what they did, they make it sexist.
In your view is Zeus’ Law little more than a substitute for the Golden Rule? Accordingly Nolan made a decidedly pro-Christianity, pro-MAGA film?
Look, the movie isn't the deepest or best written film that could be made with the material. But it is great filmmaking. He made a spectacle, put his own spin on it (there are many, many, many more that could be done), and it's doing great at the box office. Mission accomplished. Did he throw a bone to black actors by including them here? Sure. So what. It's fine--its the Mediterranean, after all.
By the way, I should add, I'm just glad that a movie is capturing people's attention. I miss the days of when everyone experienced the same story/art in movies/TV and talked about it.
Good post!fwiw - there are historical inaccuracies. It's a legend/myth set during the late bronze age collapse. So, ancient historical fiction.
Depicting history in film is more a responsibility of art direction than it is casting.
So ... lets look at historical inaccuracies..
- The armor depicted is incorrect and would not be used for hundreds of years after the story takes place.
- Missing are the feather headdresses worn by common warriors, and the boars tusk helmets worn by the richer warriors.
- The shields used were most likely incorrect. Round shields were present late in that era but more likely they should have been figure eight shaped.
- The ships depicted are incorrect. They're closer to white people DEI ships used in a much later era.
- The key prop of the story/film is incorrect. The Bow of Ulysses should have been a palintonos bow. Which are very hard to string. Anyone of moderate strength could string the the bow used.
- I suspect the clothing was incorrect, especially the dresses, but since I'm not an effeminate fashionista like one noted weirdo, I'll let him/her determine that.
- fwiw - The sword used is correct for the culture and time period, so at least they got that right.
I just wanted to mention some of the historical inaccuracies that people bitching about historical inaccuracy have never once mentioned. It's almost if they've never read the story, have no clue and don't GAFF about the history of that era, haven't seen the movie and just want to bitch about black people, trans people and the oppression they suffer from being an old fat ass chronically malcontent white male....
The Bronze Age Collapse is an interesting study. Climate events, draught, famine, mass migration, war. Disruption of trade routes causing economic collapse, invaders coming from the sea and every major power in the western world either disappearing entirely or barely surviving in a highly diminished state.
Well, it's enunciated at one point as the Golden Rule, and I think that is inaccurate to the time. As was stated before, this is a much more Christian morality tale than what the Greeks thought of. They would not have thought of the sack of Troy or the Trojan Horse as anything but glorious.I won't talk about it, since many haven't seen the movie yet, but the change he made is fine. It detracts to the extent you might want to see how Nolan would portray the ancient Greeks as we think we know them, but the poem's version isn't really necessary for the story Nolan is telling (in fact, it runs counter to it).@spartans9312 that’s actually disappointing. I like to be entertained so it won’t stop me from seeing it but that’s some woke stupidity
That said, I don't think the bit he cut out is misogynist (athough a bit brutal). One could argue that by leaving in the parts they did and cutting out what they did, they make it sexist.
In your view is Zeus’ Law little more than a substitute for the Golden Rule? Accordingly Nolan made a decidedly pro-Christianity, pro-MAGA film?
Look, the movie isn't the deepest or best written film that could be made with the material. But it is great filmmaking. He made a spectacle, put his own spin on it (there are many, many, many more that could be done), and it's doing great at the box office. Mission accomplished. Did he throw a bone to black actors by including them here? Sure. So what. It's fine--its the Mediterranean, after all.
By the way, I should add, I'm just glad that a movie is capturing people's attention. I miss the days of when everyone experienced the same story/art in movies/TV and talked about it.
Haven’t seen it but I have it on good authority that Chris Nolan’s The Odyssey is MAGA which wouldn’t necessarily be out of character for Nolan.
The Dark Knight is the most thematically Conservative blockbuster of the last three decades. Any line Heath Ledger’s, Joker delivers in that movie wrt to class and power structures could just as easily be coming out of the mouth of Mamdani or Bernie.
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Have to think about that. Zero Dark Thirty was labeled fascist by some.Well, it's enunciated at one point as the Golden Rule, and I think that is inaccurate to the time. As was stated before, this is a much more Christian morality tale than what the Greeks thought of. They would not have thought of the sack of Troy or the Trojan Horse as anything but glorious.I won't talk about it, since many haven't seen the movie yet, but the change he made is fine. It detracts to the extent you might want to see how Nolan would portray the ancient Greeks as we think we know them, but the poem's version isn't really necessary for the story Nolan is telling (in fact, it runs counter to it).@spartans9312 that’s actually disappointing. I like to be entertained so it won’t stop me from seeing it but that’s some woke stupidity
That said, I don't think the bit he cut out is misogynist (athough a bit brutal). One could argue that by leaving in the parts they did and cutting out what they did, they make it sexist.
In your view is Zeus’ Law little more than a substitute for the Golden Rule? Accordingly Nolan made a decidedly pro-Christianity, pro-MAGA film?
Look, the movie isn't the deepest or best written film that could be made with the material. But it is great filmmaking. He made a spectacle, put his own spin on it (there are many, many, many more that could be done), and it's doing great at the box office. Mission accomplished. Did he throw a bone to black actors by including them here? Sure. So what. It's fine--its the Mediterranean, after all.
By the way, I should add, I'm just glad that a movie is capturing people's attention. I miss the days of when everyone experienced the same story/art in movies/TV and talked about it.
Haven’t seen it but I have it on good authority that Chris Nolan’s The Odyssey is MAGA which wouldn’t necessarily be out of character for Nolan.
The Dark Knight is the most thematically Conservative blockbuster of the last three decades. Any line Heath Ledger’s, Joker delivers in that movie wrt to class and power structures could just as easily be coming out of the mouth of Mamdani or Bernie.