Toxic masculinity is a useful term to describe super-aggressive, mysoginostic behavior and unhealthy behaviors or mindset that are thought of as traditionally masculine. You can capture a paragraph’s worth of description in a two word phrase. Is it mis- and over-used by the woke? Yep.@bradstevens who are you and what did you do with Brad? “Toxic” masculinity? “Bastions of segregation”?
This is mindless woke language. You wouldn’t speak this way in any other context. Greeks don’t discriminate on race unless it’s a Jewish or black house, all but a few country clubs have dropped the same.
When the sorority girls you work for become your social circle and the golfers you work for put you through college I think it’s safe to say their behavior was more than superficial niceties.
Yes they’re not a kindergarten classroom. There is freedom of association with country clubs and Greek life. They don’t have admit people they don’t like. What is this pretend world you live in where the highest priority of everything is inclusivity? It’s ridiculous.
As for segregation, it’s been around and a problem for far longer than woke bullshit, and I’m not a fan, whether it be de facto or de jure.
Your blanket statement that Greeks don’t discriminate based on race or ethnicity is laughable as to white people at many large universities (hey there,SEC!) and contradicted by your exceptions for Jewish and black people.
I notice neither you nor your partner here, Zeke, has yet to address the “top” sororities. Let me guess, top as in collective GPA? Most money raised for charity? 🙄 Certainly not top as rated by some superficial factors. Couldn’t be that.
I have no idea why a grown woman is making reference to a “top house”. When I was at IU (which again, was relatively recently compared to the rest of you) people would cringe and think you were a loser if you referenced a “top house”.
Even asking someone “what house are you in?” Was seen as gauche and passive aggressive as the implication is you are going to judge that person based on their Greek affiliation.
My theory is that SEC schools are heavily white and the Greek life reflects that. I don’t know why the Jews and Blacks have their own houses but there are plenty of them that are not in race/ religion specific houses.
And if you get 100+ 18-22 year olds living in one place they are going to exhibit “toxic masculinity/ femininity” to the extent that acting in accordance with one’s gender could even be considered “toxic”.
You say your daughter wants to be in a sorority. Let’s say that comes to pass and as a Sophmore/ Junior now she is the one deciding who gets admitted/ bids.
Could you imagine her saying “We can’t accept that girl, she’s black”.
If your answer is “no” why are you assuming it of other people’s kids
Toxic masculinity is a useful term to describe super-aggressive, mysoginostic behavior and unhealthy behaviors or mindset that are thought of as traditionally masculine. You can capture a paragraph’s worth of description in a two word phrase.
Toxic femininity is more insidious.
You're admitting it happens, then. And the articles you can read online say that sometimes people ask which house you are in before they ask your name. So the phenomena exists, so stop making blanket statements that it does not ever, anywhere, in the Greek system at any school--that's a very Zeke thing to do.Toxic masculinity is a useful term to describe super-aggressive, mysoginostic behavior and unhealthy behaviors or mindset that are thought of as traditionally masculine. You can capture a paragraph’s worth of description in a two word phrase. Is it mis- and over-used by the woke? Yep.@bradstevens who are you and what did you do with Brad? “Toxic” masculinity? “Bastions of segregation”?
This is mindless woke language. You wouldn’t speak this way in any other context. Greeks don’t discriminate on race unless it’s a Jewish or black house, all but a few country clubs have dropped the same.
When the sorority girls you work for become your social circle and the golfers you work for put you through college I think it’s safe to say their behavior was more than superficial niceties.
Yes they’re not a kindergarten classroom. There is freedom of association with country clubs and Greek life. They don’t have admit people they don’t like. What is this pretend world you live in where the highest priority of everything is inclusivity? It’s ridiculous.
As for segregation, it’s been around and a problem for far longer than woke bullshit, and I’m not a fan, whether it be de facto or de jure.
Your blanket statement that Greeks don’t discriminate based on race or ethnicity is laughable as to white people at many large universities (hey there,SEC!) and contradicted by your exceptions for Jewish and black people.
I notice neither you nor your partner here, Zeke, has yet to address the “top” sororities. Let me guess, top as in collective GPA? Most money raised for charity? 🙄 Certainly not top as rated by some superficial factors. Couldn’t be that.
Even asking someone “what house are you in?” Was seen as gauche and passive aggressive, as the implication is you are going to judge that person based on their Greek affiliation.
As for your last question, not all kids are the same and not all parents are the same. Some parents value prestige, wealth, the right hand bag, etc. (and a lot of them belong to country clubs unsurprisingly) and inculcate that into their kids. I've seen it where I live and I've seen it from lawyers I've worked with. Others kids aspire to be part of the group and go along to be popular, etc. That's what leads to a lot of this bad behavior from well-raised kids, I think.
As for my daughter, I'd hope she would not do that but she is not some Type-A, ultra independent, super strong willed superwoman--just a nice kid who shops at Target and never owned a designer bag or anything else, wants to be liked, and wants a normal life. I'm worried about her in that environment and have heard plenty of horror stories from people who have been through it and parents of kids recently having done it.
And I think it exists and is present in sororities to a degree more than CamRod or Zeke want to admit.Toxic masculinity is a useful term to describe super-aggressive, mysoginostic behavior and unhealthy behaviors or mindset that are thought of as traditionally masculine. You can capture a paragraph’s worth of description in a two word phrase.
Toxic femininity is more insidious.
@bradstevens you’re coming dangerously close to ascribing wealth as being associated with being a vain or even bad person.
I know you don’t believe that wealth or lack thereof has any bearing on one’s character.
Is it at all possible that the vast majority of sorority girls are simply “nice kids who want to be liked and live a normal life”?
If that’s the case, why worry about her in that environment?
I drive across 17th several times a day. The scenery there is outstanding. I occasionally also have to deliver to campus on east 10th next to the underpass.
I was down around Kirkwood and Dunn 2 weeks ago. Nearly had 4 accidents due to the scenery and hell, I was walking not driving. lol
If men were any more stupid, we would have breed for the extinction of women. Proof yet again that WE are the best thing they have going for them.
I drive across 17th several times a day. The scenery there is outstanding. I occasionally also have to deliver to campus on east 10th next to the underpass.
I was down around Kirkwood and Dunn 2 weeks ago. Nearly had 4 accidents due to the scenery and hell, I was walking not driving. lol
It's ridiculous. I've asked for hazardous duty pay.
’re coming dangerously close to ascribing wealth as being associated with being a vain or even bad person.
Don’t think I’ve said that and don’t mean that. A reasonable reading of Jesus of Nazareth might go that far, though.
Bur if you are wealthy and intentionally join clubs that exclude people based on wealth (many country clubs—OPCChas $100k buy in plus 5 figure annual dues from what I’ve heard) or are a kid and join a sorority and flaunt $1000 handbags and judge others on whether they do as well, I think it’s fair to draw some assumptions from that.
If men were any more stupid, we would have breed for the extinction of women. Proof yet again that WE are the best thing they have going for them.
@bradstevens Has she visited IU? I think the campus seals the deal for a lot of kids.
Take her to an IU football and basketball game(s).
DANC
@mcm666 I believe you. I'll tell you a story about one of my wife's sorority 'sisters'.
This girl's dad was a big shot at Lilly. She was partying her way to school as an Education major. One semester, she signed up for classes AND DIDN"T GO TO A SINGLE CLASS THAT SEMESTER. Her GPA that semester - 0.0. Her dad didn't find out about it until after the semester over and grades cam out.
No problem - she just extended her time at IU and then became a teacher in Atlanta. Still retained her membership in the sorority, so I don't believe it when people say you have to maintain a certain GPA to stay in a sorority or frat.
DANC
@mcm666 Every single ND grad I've met - Every. Single. One. - the first things out of their mouths are they're ND grads.
It's like they've achieved some sort of favored status with God and society.
DANC
@bradstevens Hey, I'm 15 minutes from Davidson. It's far enough from Charlotte, you don't get a lot of the crime and it's a nice area.
For a small fee, I'll spy on her if she goes there. Not in a creepy way, of course.
DANC
@old-crescent I played soccer against Davidson one year. Smart kids. Seemed like they had money. I know a couple guys who played there. One was from a prominent family
@old-crescent I know a bunch of nd grads. All have large families and are very proud