@twenty Ive been to Cleveland a number of times. It’s much better than the city of Stl. The city here is as you describe. Sad. It colors my view on crime a bit.
How will reparations solve this?
no one owes Somalians anything.
Minneapolis was once the bastion of sanity on the Democratic side. Now it’s the poster child for everything Murt rants about liberals.
Why do you say we are failing?
I think we are failing because, even though gross crime rates are down, crime is increasingly concentrated in the under- achieving groups. One more way we are seeing the country dividing itself.
that’s no different than the same argument that there has always been re enabling and creating dependence. What myself and the other poster were highlighting is that reparations are just a different reward than the benefits they’ve been receiving for years anyway that isn’t working.
I don’t see anything useful coming from reparations. Reparations will go to populations who are already fucked up. What good is that? If they aren’t fucked up, the won’t need reparations. As I’ve said eleventy thousand times, we need to substantially upgrade k-12 educations to address this. When you have adults who can’t read or do simple math, you have adults who have no hope and resort to destructive behavior. The adults today are the off- spring of other poorly educated adults who are also the offspring of other poorly educated adults. The fix will take a generation or more, but we gotta start with quality educations.
@co-hoosier the problem isn’t just education. It’s setting up the conditions to be able to excel at school. That’s not an absent dad and a mom working three jobs. Maybe some cash instead of programs designed to employ gov workers will allow that mom to ve home at night to make dinner and make sure the kids are working on homework instead of driving door dash all night
Agreed. The easiest and most effective problem the public can solve is education. The public really can’t solve the problem of bad parenting. Not effectively anyway. I think there is a cause and effect relationship between good education and good parenting.
@co-hoosier no you’re putting the cart before the horse. Doesn’t matter how great the education is if the kid isn’t on a position to learn. Not a two hour commute. A breakfast. Clean clothes. Someone to make sure they go. Get to bed on time. On and on. You have to have parents financially stable enough to allow for a good education experience. These programs aren’t working. Dump the middle man and provide cash. Let’s see if it works
I was told by someone who knows a little about Gary who said you can’t give the kids nice clothes or shoes because mom will sell them for drugs. Yeah, if you give mom cash, you do eliminate the middle man
@co-hoosier and that may be the case. i don't know. i do know that a solid education doesn't happen in a vacuum. improving k-12 schools will do very little without improving the conditions that these families and kids live under
@co-hoosier and that may be the case. i don't know. i do know that a solid education doesn't happen in a vacuum. improving k-12 schools will do very little without improving the conditions that these families and kids live under
So much resistance to the pay-upfront model. The cynic in me thinks people (and maybe Americans a little more than others) kind of like to punish the chronically impoverished. Ignoring all the little things in our lives that had to go right to be a functioning human, we fall back on anecdotes and parables.
The math knows its harder than ever in US history to breakout of the poverty cycle. Can't run from that. We know housing and healthcare costs are crushing folks and we know modern jobs require education and skills many of our schools aren't providing. But then we also consider any relief from that a freebie. Weird stuff.
@co-hoosier and that may be the case. i don't know. i do know that a solid education doesn't happen in a vacuum. improving k-12 schools will do very little without improving the conditions that these families and kids live under
The math knows its harder than ever in US history to breakout of the poverty cycle. Can't run from that. We know housing and healthcare costs are crushing folks and we know modern jobs require education and skills many of our schools aren't providing. But then we also consider any relief from that a freebie. Weird stuff.
The poverty rate dropped to its lowest level ever in 25. And we have allowed in 10s of millions of illegal immigrants the last several decades who have little to no education, literally can't speak English, and they have managed to find and work jobs.
@snarlcakes I know re the poverty rate. And that worries me. But I suspect it didn’t last long enough.
Math major friend taught basic math to adults in Oakland after college. They couldn’t learn it. Same first lesson every class.Dysfunctional adults are very difficult to change.
Some won’t learn if early childhood education is skipped
I know you’re talking about the most basic of conditions but what we include in elementary school leaves out a lot of basics of life. my son in elementary school in Slovenia was taught all sorts of basic factors such as hygiene. he had to bring a toothbrush so they could brush their teeth after meals.improving k-12 schools will do very little without improving the conditions that these families and kids live under
by the time he was in sixth grade. They were routinely giving speeches in front of class.
we sell our children short.