@qparkerparkerparker interesting, I was not aware of this incident. Not that wiki is the definitive history, but there does appear to be a large compilation of various accounts.
Since I’m just now reading about this incident of course I haven’t read the various books, but according to the wike entry at this point there is no definitive answer as to what did in fact happen.
According to wiki the only thing that is definitive is this is used by neo- nazi groups to encourage Jewish hate and damage US-Israeli relations.
“The USS Liberty incident is frequently referenced in antisemitic conspiracy theories,[105][106][107] which Cristol said are spread to damage Israel–United States relations. He said that conspiracy theorists "don't care what the facts are; they just want to present the idea that Israel did a dirty deed against the US".[108]A Southern Poverty Law Center extremism monitor, Heidi Beirich, described the incident as a "rallying cry" for antisemites,[109] and the scholar Spencer Sunshine called it a "perennial favorite" target of neo-Nazis.[105] Iranian government-affiliated social media accounts have reportedly promoted Liberty conspiracy theories to incite hatred of Israel and Jews.[110]In 2018, the celebrities Brett Favre and Andy Dick issued apologies after a neo-Nazi group, the Goyim Defense League, tricked them into recording Cameo videos containing coded antisemitic messages referencing the Liberty.[109] Representative Paul Gosar (R-AZ) referred to the incident as a false flagoperation by Israel and the United States Intelligence Community in a 2024 newsletter, which drew criticism from the Anti-Defamation League.[110]”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
This whole event does sound suspicious but there is no agreed upon conclusion.
This shouldn’t surprise any of us here that you would spread this as being definitive. We already know you hate Jews by your Holocaust denying from previous posts. So I think it’s fair to say this is consistent with your past anti-Semitic posts.
As for your statement that the US is a vassal state to Israel again sounds consistent with your hatred towards Jews and Israel. If anything Israel and Bibi have made statements that Israel is not a vassal state to the United States.
I’m willing to listen to your reasons why. This should be interesting.
.'.there is no definitive answer to what did in fact actually happen...'
The answer is definitive.
The Zionist state intentionally, with malice, attacked a US Navy vessel operating in international waters with multiple bomb and strafing sorties by Israeli jets, followed by torpedo attacks by five Israeli MTB's.
34 American dead and 170 wounded.
Stop lying.
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@qparker I have not read the books mentioned in the wiki article but it contends there is no definitive answer. I’m not saying I’m not bothered but it’s irresponsible for you to say it’s definitive.
it only stokes the fire of your antisemitism.
im not lying. I said this is the first I’ve heard of this piece of history and I’m bothered by it.
My point is the truth hasn’t been verified by all parties. Certainly you will find people on all sides but obviously I wasn’t there.
@qparker Here’s a question for you and I’d love your response.
Did the Holocaust wipe out 6 millions Jews as well as homosexuals, people with disabilities and other prisoners of war?
A simple yes or no will suffice but happy to entertain whatever answer.
@bradstevens I will stop. But advice for Eppy is to not put your Jewish identity front and center and then recoil when pressed on said Judaism.
Best that a lapsed Catholic punk kid not lecture a practicing faithful Jewish adult on how to be a Jew.
Best for whom?
The more sunlight reaching the issue, the better.
The Zionist narrative never deviates from the path of eternal victimhood..
34 American dead, 171 wounded, and the narrative is that there is dispute about the attack, fomenting 'Conspiracy theories', further inflaming so-called anti-Semitic prejudice.
There's no dispute. 'It was case of mistaken identity ' is a complete fabrication.
The attack was intentionally planned and executed. The reason is widely understood.
There’s no dispute. ‘It was case of mistaken identity ‘ is a complete fabrication.
The attack was intentionally planned and executed. The reason is widely understood.
What is that reason?
We already know you hate Jews by your Holocaust denying from previous posts. So I think it’s fair to say this is consistent with your past anti-Semitic posts.
Bingo,
We already know you hate Jews by your Holocaust denying from previous posts. So I think it’s fair to say this is consistent with your past anti-Semitic posts.
Bingo,
Ironically, Mas is defending the person who is toeing the Israeli line, and not the person who actually questions Israeli actions and motivations.
@qparker I’ve already said Israel is completely responsible and has admitted so. Whether it was intentional has never been proven. Your bias only allows you to see it one way.
And let me say this, is it impossible they did this for some strategic reason as was outlined in the wiki? But as others have opined it could have easily been friendly fire too. Yea it’s possible but at this point that’s just a conspiracy theory.
Btw, you never did answer my question regarding if the Holocaust did in fact happen.
Kinda waiting on that answer.
Look Mas, I get emotional about this and I get very angry. However underneath all that anger I'd rather allow this to be a teaching moment. I would gladly go with you to a Holocaust Museum. The museum in Washington DC has the most content, but I'd also be happy to hit a smaller museum such as the one in Terre Haute. This is always an open invitation. Happy to sit down afterwards, grab a coffee and just talk. Nothing productive really comes from us arguing online.
Mike’s Bar
I think it’s called Mikes Place. I went there last in 2010. Not as appealing an option when you have kids with you.
we enjoyed many beachfront venues.
was hoping Mas was too dumb to make it over here, but here we are.
@jdb I stand corrected. You are right. Thank you for the correction. Did you enjoy your trip?
Weird silence from Goat and Mark
https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/1951710271288070309
"Weird" silence about something that was reported on Twitter three hours ago? You can do better than that.
Weird silence from Goat and Mark
https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/1951710271288070309
"Weird" silence about something that was reported on Twitter three hours ago? You can do better than that.
First I've heard of it. This is the worst kind of "Where is the Outrage!" post.
@unclemark On the other hand, JDB follows Geert Wilders, which totally scans.
@goat uh huh. What’s strange about that? Is it because he’s been labeled as a “far right” politician by European standards?
I remember when we were being told Giorgia Meloni would bring Mussolini style fascism back to Italy. Seems all she does is smile at Musk and escort our addled former president into group photos. I was told the lesbian run AfD was also a fascist movement. Doesn’t pass the smell test.
Orban doesn’t lose elections so he’s a fascist. Obviously.
What do you actually know about Wilders to cats such aspersions?