the liberal version hasn't gained that much power
Chicago, Seattle, and New York beg to differ. I agree with the rest of your analysis, but I do think you have a blind spot on the issue of just how far left the Dems have moved since Obama. That's one of the reasons I posted all that stuff in this thread.
@bradstevens most people are ignorant and prefer to just slurp up whatever they're fed. Obama said deportations are good, so they said ok. Now they're being told orange man deportations are bad. So, they get in their cars, go hit ICE agents, and call them mean names. It's all very silly. Go Hoosiers!
Chicago, Seattle, and New York beg to differ. I agree with the rest of your analysis, but I do think you have a blind spot on the issue of just how far left the Dems have moved since Obama. That's one of the reasons I posted all that stuff in this thread.
"how far left the Dems have moved since Obama" is different than the usual "Obama was a radical progressive."
I have said for quite a while that gerrymandering is bad because it rewards the extremes. If all districts were closer to America in makeup, there would be pressure on the parties to nominate moderates.
The universe is rapidly expanding, the sad part is the political universe is too.
they are complaining because the officers are behaving in a way they never did under Obama, or anyone.
Of course they aren’t. This is because the Obama circumstances are all together different. Obama counted border turn- backs as deportations. His ICE wasn’t generally required to go into the streets of urban America to root out dangerous illegals. There were no sanctuary cities under Obama. Bush didn’t drop border enforcement and leave the consequences to Obama. Anti- Ice is a part of anti- Trump in general. From ball rooms to no kings, the emotional pollution generated by the never- Trumpers creates a dangerous situation before ICE agents even exit their vehicles.
And there would have been No Good under Obama for all the above and many other reasons.
@arthur-dent I do think gerrymandering and how we do things is probably worth revisiting, not that it’ll happen. New Mexico for instance. Harris got 51 percent of the vote and Trump 45 percent. There is zero Republican federal representation for NM. This transpires in other places as well.
Ive never labelled Obama as a radical progressive, though. I don’t think he is/was, even for his era.Chicago, Seattle, and New York beg to differ. I agree with the rest of your analysis, but I do think you have a blind spot on the issue of just how far left the Dems have moved since Obama. That's one of the reasons I posted all that stuff in this thread.
"how far left the Dems have moved since Obama" is different than the usual "Obama was a radical progressive."
I have said for quite a while that gerrymandering is bad because it rewards the extremes. If all districts were closer to America in makeup, there would be pressure on the parties to nominate moderates.
The universe is rapidly expanding, the sad part is the political universe is too.
@bradstevens I don't think he was either. He was left but nothing like what we have today.
You keep getting it wrong. I’m for zero illegal immigration and deporting those that are here. Have been all along.@shooter @mrhighlife @ohio-guy @boogie @hurryinghoosiers @aloha-hoosier
I think the point is that ICE's enforcing the immigration laws against non-violent criminals doesn't make it the Gestapo. ICE raids that produce what appear to be very bad results occur more than we'd like to admit, partly because it's the nature of what they do. Pinning it all on Trump makes little sense. And if you look at the overall numbers, Trump isn't close to Obama, while he's dealing with a much worse influx from his predecessor.
And yet, we have these anti-ICE people forming groups to do way more than protest and make their voice known, but in fact actively obstruct the enforcement of laws validly passed through the democratic process and some politicians egging them on.
I think some of these people--like the Milwaukee judge and I brought this up then--now treat and think of illegal aliens as runaway slaves. I had a buddy this weekend make precisely that analogy, and then when I pushed him on it, he thought he was being more reasonable by switching to "housing Jews" when they were being hunted. He called it the civil rights issue of our time. WTF?? How has the Overton Window among Democrats moved so close to open boarders and flat-out insurrection? I guess I could ask the same about MAGA, too, but we've covered that a lot before, and I'm more tied in with liberals and thought these people were smarter or more consistent than this.
I appreciate what you're trying to do here, but the criticisms flying around right now are about far more than just raw numbers. Which Obama agent shot a woman in the face in her car? I don't remember that happening. Is that because the liberal press hid it from me?
every time I read your post, it reminds me of oddly seeing a guy I knew, both of us buying Tampons at the same time. I asked, your wife too? He said no , don’t judge me right now I just don’t feel normal you sexist pig!
If men were any more stupid, we would have breed for the extinction of women. Proof yet again that WE are the best thing they have going for them.
I think the point is that ICE's enforcing the immigration laws against non-violent criminals doesn't make it the Gestapo. ICE raids that produce what appear to be very bad results occur more than we'd like to admit, partly because it's the nature of what they do. Pinning it all on Trump makes little sense. And if you look at the overall numbers, Trump isn't close to Obama, while he's dealing with a much worse influx from his predecessor.
And yet, we have these anti-ICE people forming groups to do way more than protest and make their voice known, but in fact actively obstruct the enforcement of laws validly passed through the democratic process and some politicians egging them on.
I think some of these people--like the Milwaukee judge and I brought this up then--now treat and think of illegal aliens as runaway slaves. I had a buddy this weekend make precisely that analogy, and then when I pushed him on it, he thought he was being more reasonable by switching to "housing Jews" when they were being hunted. He called it the civil rights issue of our time. WTF?? How has the Overton Window among Democrats moved so close to open boarders and flat-out insurrection? I guess I could ask the same about MAGA, too, but we've covered that a lot before, and I'm more tied in with liberals and thought these people were smarter or more consistent than this.
I appreciate what you're trying to do here, but the criticisms flying around right now are about far more than just raw numbers. Which Obama agent shot a woman in the face in her car? I don't remember that happening. Is that because the liberal press hid it from me?
every time I read your post, it reminds me of oddly seeing a guy I knew, both of us buying Tampons at the same time. I asked, your wife too? He said no , don’t judge me right now I just don’t feel normal you sexist pig!
Joe, I will never cease finding your posting style fascinating.
Ive never labelled Obama as a radical progressive, though. I don’t think he is/was, even for his era.
don't think he was either. He was left but nothing like what we have today.
Not during his presidency. If rumors are true about his influence over Biden, he changed.
I don't know anything about that.Ive never labelled Obama as a radical progressive, though. I don’t think he is/was, even for his era.
don't think he was either. He was left but nothing like what we have today.
Not during his presidency. If rumors are true about his influence over Biden, he changed.