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Posted by: @shooter

Europe does have tighter regs on emissions and mileage. They let car makers know the new regs / guidelines over a decade in advance. If US car makers could not adapt, it seems the fault is mostly theirs, if Euro car makers did adapt in the same time frame. Europe doesn't want big boat 3 row SUVs and gas guzzling V8 Trumper trucks.

 

So…the biggest barrier is non-tariffs….next

 


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Posted : 08/05/2025 4:21 pm
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Posted by: @spartans9312

Posted by: @shooter

Europe does have tighter regs on emissions and mileage. They let car makers know the new regs / guidelines over a decade in advance. If US car makers could not adapt, it seems the fault is mostly theirs, if Euro car makers did adapt in the same time frame. Europe doesn't want big boat 3 row SUVs and gas guzzling V8 Trumper trucks.

 

So…the biggest barrier is non-tariffs….next

 

But if there cars must meet the same requirements, how is it a barrier? We choose to pollute more.

 


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Posted : 08/05/2025 4:44 pm
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The biggest barrier would seem to be car companies being so stupid as to not modify their fleet efficiency sufficiently to meet regulations that they were warned about 10+ years ago.  Which was plenty of lead time for their foreign-based competitors. Regulations that at least California also insists that they meet.

Plugging your ears and chanting "the greenhouse effect is a liberal (or Chinese?) conspiracy" doesn't work very well.


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Posted : 08/05/2025 4:46 pm
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

Posted by: @spartans9312

Posted by: @shooter

Europe does have tighter regs on emissions and mileage. They let car makers know the new regs / guidelines over a decade in advance. If US car makers could not adapt, it seems the fault is mostly theirs, if Euro car makers did adapt in the same time frame. Europe doesn't want big boat 3 row SUVs and gas guzzling V8 Trumper trucks.

 

So…the biggest barrier is non-tariffs….next

 

But if there cars must meet the same requirements, how is it a barrier? We choose to pollute more.

 

 

If someone in Italy wanted to buy a F350 in its current state would there be an issue?

 


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Posted : 08/05/2025 4:56 pm
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Posted by: @spartans9312

Posted by: @arthur-dent

Posted by: @spartans9312

Posted by: @shooter

Europe does have tighter regs on emissions and mileage. They let car makers know the new regs / guidelines over a decade in advance. If US car makers could not adapt, it seems the fault is mostly theirs, if Euro car makers did adapt in the same time frame. Europe doesn't want big boat 3 row SUVs and gas guzzling V8 Trumper trucks.

 

So…the biggest barrier is non-tariffs….next

 

But if there cars must meet the same requirements, how is it a barrier? We choose to pollute more.

 

 

If someone in Italy wanted to buy a F350 in its current state would there be an issue?

 

 

They would certainly be made fun of.

 

So anything we have in requiring safety that China doesn't have is us placing trade barriers on China? I bet that happens on a lot of things. It looks like they are more lax on lead paint, as one example.

 


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Posted : 08/05/2025 6:01 pm
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@arthur-dent 

 

In combo with the other barriers listed on Google….these are more of an issue for Ford than tariffs. That was my original comment 


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Posted : 08/05/2025 6:44 pm
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Posted : 08/06/2025 11:06 am
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Posted by: @hooky

 

Just a nit, but you're not losing farmers and tradesmen.  You're losing unskilled labor in the ag and construction industry.

As a counter-nit, I would not classify the workers in the construction industry as "unskilled".  We're not talking about picking cotton by hand.

I work in the construction industry and have watched these guys working.  They are running wire, routing flex duct, fastening PVC / PEX water piping, building custom framework, etc.  It's not work that you can pick a random person off the street and they can do the same job day one (which is what I would consider the definition of "unskilled" labor).

 


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Posted : 08/06/2025 11:44 am
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Posted by: @spartans9312

Posted by: @arthur-dent

Posted by: @spartans9312

Posted by: @shooter

Europe does have tighter regs on emissions and mileage. They let car makers know the new regs / guidelines over a decade in advance. If US car makers could not adapt, it seems the fault is mostly theirs, if Euro car makers did adapt in the same time frame. Europe doesn't want big boat 3 row SUVs and gas guzzling V8 Trumper trucks.

 

So…the biggest barrier is non-tariffs….next

 

But if there cars must meet the same requirements, how is it a barrier? We choose to pollute more.

 

 

If someone in Italy wanted to buy a F350 in its current state would there be an issue?

 

 

From my understanding, the size of the truck would cause more then a couple problems. 

 


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Posted : 08/06/2025 4:29 pm
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Posted by: @hooky

 

Just a nit, but you're not losing farmers and tradesmen.  You're losing unskilled labor in the ag and construction industry.

As a counter-nit, I would not classify the workers in the construction industry as "unskilled".  We're not talking about picking cotton by hand.

I work in the construction industry and have watched these guys working.  They are running wire, routing flex duct, fastening PVC / PEX water piping, building custom framework, etc.  It's not work that you can pick a random person off the street and they can do the same job day one (which is what I would consider the definition of "unskilled" labor).

 

When I hear the term tradesmen, I think actual sparkies, plumbers, pipe fitters, finish carpenters, operators, etc..., not guys pulling romex, running a crimper or hammering a nail straight.  Go back 20 years and those jobs could be done by any fresh out of high school kid who took a shop class.  Hell, I did that kind of stuff in high school and on breaks from school, and I don't consider myself a tradesman or even "skilled".

 


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Posted : 08/06/2025 5:31 pm
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and I don’t consider myself a tradesman or even “skilled”.

no but you're also not the average joe bag of donuts my friend.  you are one of the few we are paying NIL money to for the dream team.  those notebooks.  that gaze at a vintage plane.  that's the real deal son.  

incidentally it appears one of my businesses is now settled on a 19 percent tariff.  ehhhh.  not the end of the world.  offset by favorable tax policy.  i think.  but a tax of sorts as well.  i can pass it along to an extent but we are a bottom feeder company so it is only to an extent 


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Posted : 08/06/2025 5:49 pm
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Posted by: @hooky

and I don’t consider myself a tradesman or even “skilled”.

no but you're also not the average joe bag of donuts my friend.  you are one of the few we are paying NIL money to for the dream team.  those notebooks.  that gaze at a vintage plane.  that's the real deal son.  

incidentally it appears one of my businesses is now settled on a 19 percent tariff.  ehhhh.  not the end of the world.  offset by favorable tax policy.  i think.  but a tax of sorts as well.  i can pass it along to an extent but we are a bottom feeder company so it is only to an extent 

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Posted : 08/06/2025 7:06 pm
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Posted by: @hooky

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I cannot imagine there is an adequate supply of roofers, farmers, tradesmen, janitors, etc. 

 

Just a nit, but you're not losing farmers and tradesmen.  You're losing unskilled labor in the ag and construction industry.

 

this def isn’t true for ag.  We imagine pickers in fields, but huge dairy, beef, pork, poultry farms rely heavily on very skilled immigrant labor.  Running a farm is really hard and takes decades of of experience. 

 


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Posted : 08/06/2025 7:47 pm
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Posted by: @hooky

and I don’t consider myself a tradesman or even “skilled”.

no but you're also not the average joe bag of donuts my friend.  you are one of the few we are paying NIL money to for the dream team.  those notebooks.  that gaze at a vintage plane.  that's the real deal son.  

incidentally it appears one of my businesses is now settled on a 19 percent tariff.  ehhhh.  not the end of the world.  offset by favorable tax policy.  i think.  but a tax of sorts as well.  i can pass it along to an extent but we are a bottom feeder company so it is only to an extent 

I'm confused. Aren't the Pakis paying those tariffs? Or is that just China that has to pay them?

 


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Posted : 08/06/2025 8:02 pm
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hooky
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Posted by: @jdb

I cannot imagine there is an adequate supply of roofers, farmers, tradesmen, janitors, etc. 

 

Just a nit, but you're not losing farmers and tradesmen.  You're losing unskilled labor in the ag and construction industry.

 

this def isn’t true for ag.  We imagine pickers in fields, but huge dairy, beef, pork, poultry farms rely heavily on very skilled immigrant labor.  Running a farm is really hard and takes decades of of experience. 

 

What immigrants are "running" a farm?

What "skilled labor" is being provided by illegals on a farm?

 


Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan.
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