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HurryingHoosiers
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

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Nationalists usually have authoritarian mindsets and bigoted opinions of persons of other cultures.

Says who? 

Says the people that call themselves White NATIONALISTS.

 


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Posted : 04/21/2026 1:42 pm
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Posted by: @hhlurker

My main quibble with that is that our post-WW2 rise to superpowerdom significantly included raising the well being of all willing nations until Trump’s version of “nationalism” took hold

  That's political hegemony.  Not nationalism.   Nationalism is a shield that resists outsiders and influence.  Political hegemony is a sword.  What we have done to the extent possible with regard to other countries is political hegemony.  It may have been under the guise of altruism but with us it's always self-serving.

Trump, a perfect disaster in all ways, subscribes to political hegemony, nationalism, and cultural hegemony.  

 


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Posted : 04/21/2026 2:02 pm
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CO. Hoosier
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@hurryinghoosiers 

lol.

White nationalists are not nationalists.  Neither are Black nationalists.  Neither are purple nationalists.  Adjective nationalism really doesn’t exist as nationalism.  


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Posted : 04/21/2026 2:10 pm
CO. Hoosier
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Posted by: @bar-down

Nationalism is a shield that resists outsiders

What about outsiders who assimilate?  Isn’t that what nationalism here is?  


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Posted : 04/21/2026 2:13 pm
CO. Hoosier
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@hhlurker 

What is Trump’s version of nationalism.  


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Posted : 04/21/2026 2:16 pm
CO. Hoosier
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@shooter 

You’ve  injected factors that are not nationalism to arrive at your negative view.  


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Posted : 04/21/2026 2:18 pm
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@co-hoosier If they assimilate they obviously can be absorbed and aren't a "threat" to nationalistic ideals.  The threat is those "outsiders" injecting something different


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Posted : 04/21/2026 2:28 pm
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 JDB
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

@jdb 

Webster is incomplete.  Nationalism is love and affection for the land, institutions, history, people, cultures, etc. of a nation.  There is no element of superiority to it.  That’s not to say a given system of governance or due process might be seen as superior, but those discrete features are not broad- based nationalism.  

Norway is probably one of the most nationalistic countries.  You would be hard-pressed to find a group of Norwegians who denigrate and dislike their own country, its traditions and history.  

When nationalism morphs into notions of superiority, you’ll usually find racism or authoritarianism in the mix.  

I can buy into some of that logic, and perhaps I should have read further down...

Nationalism and patriotism are similar insofar as both words emphasize strong feelings for one’s country. However, the two words are not synonymous. Nationalism, while it refers to loyalty and devotion to a nation, tends to imply the placing of that nation above others, a tendency that is not necessarily implicit in patriotism.

This is ripe for academic argument. And in that case, since I hate academics, I'll politely bow out.

 


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Posted : 04/21/2026 2:30 pm
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Posted by: @bar-down

Posted by: @hhlurker

My main quibble with that is that our post-WW2 rise to superpowerdom significantly included raising the well being of all willing nations until Trump’s version of “nationalism” took hold

  That's political hegemony.  Not nationalism.   Nationalism is a shield that resists outsiders and influence.  Political hegemony is a sword.  What we have done to the extent possible with regard to other countries is political hegemony.  It may have been under the guise of altruism but with us it's always self-serving.

Trump, a perfect disaster in all ways, subscribes to political hegemony, nationalism, and cultural hegemony.  

 

Hegemony is a excellent concept here. 

You’re omitting vast aspects the cultural hegemony the US has exhibited since WW2 which dominate modern societies. Marketing and other business concepts, all of our foundational constitutional principles, and many others. In fact the few backward countries that don’t aspire to the positive aspects of our way of life are also the ones perversely brutalizing their own citizenry. 

Trump’s clearly using and abusing hard power, both economically and militarily in his awkward hegemony. His pathetic attempts at cultural hegemony, if actually any, are limited to his simple-minded understanding of Christianity and his xenophobia. 

 

 


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Posted : 04/21/2026 3:08 pm
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

@hhlurker 

What is Trump’s version of nationalism.  

You tell me. You chose him in the last election. You must have some affinity for his decisions. I’m not seeing much of your description of our proper nationalism in the behavior of his administration. 

 


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Posted : 04/21/2026 3:13 pm
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Like usual snarlcakes was right.  All the "isms"  mean nothing. Patriotism = you think like me.  Nationalism = you think not like me.  Next topic @littlebitchbuckeye


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Posted : 04/21/2026 8:35 pm
BradStevens
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Posted by: @jdb

This is ripe for academic argument. And in that case, since I hate academics, I'll politely bow out.

 


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Posted : 04/22/2026 11:18 pm
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 JDB
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Posted by: @bradstevens

Posted by: @jdb

This is ripe for academic argument. And in that case, since I hate academics, I'll politely bow out.

 


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I'm just not boring and don't wear corduroy sport coats*. 

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Posted : 04/23/2026 11:50 am
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