Interesting (to me) little tidbit...
From what I can gather from the various reports I've seen, it looks like the Israelis targeted the "human" assets -- government and military officials -- while the US took care of the hard facilities, i.e. the missile sites and nuclear sites themselves. Makes me think the Israelis had better intel on the people than we did.
They certainly do, that's never been a question... Been that way a very long time. The CIA has the entire world to worry with...Mossad focuses on their direct region, and they are very good. Much better than us in Iran.
Obviously, I hope you’re right.I'd put the odds of this working--as in a stable, less crazy regime emerging in the next three years--as very low.Is it clear now that Tulsi, Vance and the rest of the isolationists are totally on the outs with this admin?
They weren't consulted..... Got sat at the kid's table while this went down. Basically the flunkies.
Rubio's chances of being the next POTUS went up exponentially IF this ends up working
I actually think that it is entirely possible that the existing structure of govt remain. Most people aren't rabid ideologues, they are pragmatic. They want status and money and control and power.
Much better to work with the pragmatics and kill the crazies that are hell bent on being adversarial to Israel and the US. It's a tale as old as time in that region. The current regime has no broad public support. Don't try to import Western democracy and you'll be fine.
But I don’t have much trust in our government to figure out the right method of changing these states in different cultures and I’m not sure bombing a nation and killing innocents (even if accidentally) works.
If Trump pulls this off, though, he’ll go down in history as a great President on at least one level.
Looks like part of Trump's strategy here is to significantly weaken China.
https://twitter.com/i/status/2027784441976742028
https://twitter.com/i/status/2028139881524822196
you're right that we are not living in a fascist country under fascist rule. Our constitution is pretty strong and directly stops any on that. Anyone who yells "fascist", "nazi" or "communist"socialist" are typically the over emotional or not very intelligent. Or both. Trump's own rhetoric suggests he would like things to more fascist-like but he will never achieve anything really close to it. He has 3 years left. All of that would require constitutional amendments and those take way more than 3 years to pass.We miss A LOT. Read up on fascist ideology. Review the definition I laid out. It's much, much more than a nation being proud of itself. Only in today's America could that be seen as fascist.But we have a huge military, a huge source of pride of Americans, and use it an awful lot compared to most other countries. Using YOUR definition, how much do we miss?
However, gauging fascism isn't checking boxes off a definition list. Theirs nuance and variations to consider in every situation. No two leopards have the some spots...
@tr32 fortunately the president doesn't have the power to postpone or cancel our elections.
I'm going to add here that with the criteria you are using by arguing the US is a fascist state between 1980-2025, you'd also have to call the US a fascist state from basically 1775-1924, during the American Indian Wars. The US was much more racist then, the people just as proud of their nation and armed forces (holding many more parades!) and much more warlike and involved in actual territorial expansion through conquering other people.@bradstevens and look at this link, I can find several with this type of definition.
Do you honestly think of America as a fascist state for most of its history?
I think you have greatly misinterpreted what I have suggested. Go back and read my first reply to you. I have not said the US is fascist. You posted items about fascist using military. I suggested Q would have some comments about that. That was the opening bid, the US has overused its military and has an obsession over military strength.
As to fascism in America; below, I hope it works, is a link that says fascism is not the end product but a process. In that regard, we certainly see fascist elements.
America is not fascist but tenants of fascism has some noticeable support in America.
We are not fascist. We are not communist. It doesn't mean there aren't some people in America that aren't communist. Or that some ideas are communist inspired or adjacent. But those are fewer because we are a center-right country.
But back to my original post, do we overuse our military and is it not a HUGE source of pride for many Americans?
Right? Both groups are mostly, if not all, Democrat voters. Yet they protest about opposite things. It's almost as if you don't have to blindly fellow every things your dear leader.. errr party says 100% of the time.https://twitter.com/ianonpatriot/status/2027873653577421052?s=61&t=1KiTJ7EYgX-uQgf4Wkb9sg
This post is a perfect microcosm of the left in America…
the Israelis have better intel (pagers, Solemani, etc), but it gives Trump a way to say he didn’t kill the head of regime.
Trump would be happy to take credit for that, but it does shield him from taking the heat for the school the Israelis blew up.
the Israelis have better intel (pagers, Solemani, etc), but it gives Trump a way to say he didn’t kill the head of regime.
Trump would be happy to take credit for that, but it does shield him from taking the heat for the school the Israelis blew up.
gotta prove it was the Israelis that blew it up first
the Israelis have better intel (pagers, Solemani, etc), but it gives Trump a way to say he didn’t kill the head of regime.
Trump would be happy to take credit for that, but it does shield him from taking the heat for the school the Israelis blew up.
gotta prove it was the Israelis that blew it up first
I don't think that's in dispute, BICBW. Regardless, Bibi doesn't give a shit.
the Israelis have better intel (pagers, Solemani, etc), but it gives Trump a way to say he didn’t kill the head of regime.
Trump would be happy to take credit for that, but it does shield him from taking the heat for the school the Israelis blew up.
Would it be too much to wait for confirmation of whose missile actually hit the school before you open your dumb mouth?
The larger point is that liberators will accidentally kill the people they wish to liberate in these types of conflicts. If you can’t come to terms with that fact then your de facto stance is the military should never be used at any time, for any purpose, ever.
Maybe that is your stance. I think it’s stupid.
Thats a remarkably stupid article.
First of all, the Trump/Bibi bombing campaign is giving the Mideast the best chance for peace than has existed for many decades. All the turmoil can be traced back to Iran. Decapitating Iran and destroying its military is a huge positive step . What happens going forward is up to the Iranians.
Second, this is by no means an impulsive action as suggested by the author. It had been in the planning stages for months. Our very public naval preparations took more than a month. The Trump negotiations were underway in the final hours before the attack.
Having a president who has resolve and is decisive is new. Every president in this century said Iran can’t have nukes, only Trump took care of business. I get having a decisive president is new compared the the mushy policies of past presidents. Decisiveness can be disquieting to those who aren’t if not abhorrent. Biden’s vapid response to the October 7 massacre ought to have brought much more criticism.
MAGA Split? That’s the funniest and dumbest part. Nowhere is it written Trump supporters must agree on everything. Only the never-Trumpers, who constantly think in terms of cult, believe unanimity is an important value.
Me? While I think the events of the past few days are positive, I don’t approve of the seemingly unilateral decision. This is similar to Clinton’s decision to bomb Belgrade. That worked This might. Regardless, the legislative branch should have been involved. I understand the need for secrecy, and the awful state of political cooperation, but we can never make things better unless we try.
https://twitter.com/CSOonX/status/2028101037601554791
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