@spartans9312 I have no idea why they made the video. I'm not going to guess on their intentions.
Once again, what did they say in the video was wrong? Be specific. Third attempt at an answer to the question.
What did Keene say was wrong about the video? He’s way more knowledgeable than myself. It’s why I linked the video.
Keene essentially said what I said in that the video was ill-advised (he used the word outrageous) for the same reasons we both think it's ill-advised to outrageous, but he didn't say it was illegal because it isn't illegal. I think it's ill-advised because it could make someone question lawful orders. I say could because it's unlikely, which is why I don't go all the way to "outrageous" on this. All orders are presumed legal unless completely obvious that it's illegal, such as executing an unarmed prisoner or shooting an American civilian. The people that scrutinize the orders are not usually the junior enlisted, though it could be, it's really the officers and senior enlisted that do that and they know there are consequences even for disobeying an illegal order. There's likely to be legal consequences which is where it will be determined if they wrongfully refused a lawful order or correctly disobeyed an unlawful order. Even if exonerated, it's not going to be a pleasant process.
Everyone is speculating about why they did the video, again which I think was ill-advised but not illegal, and I think it's probably the most obvious. There is a ton of consternation and conversation going on in the upper ranks about the "drug boat" attacks killing upwards of 60 suspected drug runners so far. SouthCom's JAG office determined that these attacks would be illegal. That has gone up the chain to the White House who went to WH Legal Office and got the opinion they wanted saying that the attacks would be lawful. This basically overruled SouthCom's legal opinion. All of this has also reached Congress who also, for the most part, thought those attacks were illegal. However, the WH's legal opinion has provided top cover for those carrying out the attacks, so they're carrying out the attacks. I think the Senators and Representatives doing the video disagree with the legal opinion, so they released the video about disobeying illegal orders. This is why it's ill-advised but not illegal. Their fool proof defense is their plain language of only reiterating the duty to disobey illegal orders. The problem is that the entire chain of command is aware of the debate about the legality of the boat attacks. I doubt it would happen, but someone might decide that he/she is so morally opposed to the attacks, which amounts to summary executions of suspected criminals without trial, and also considers the order to do it unlawful. That person will face legal consequences and they could lose because of the top cover legal opinion. If the same trial was held in an international court the person would likely be exonerated because it's a real stretch to consider these attacks lawful. It's more likely that someone that thinks these boat attacks are immoral and unlawful that that person will request reassignment, resign, or retire. Retirement is the path the SouthCom Commander took. The real problem with the boat attacks, besides the fact that it's probably illegal despite the WH opinion supporting them, is that it's just bad policy and unnecessary. We can successfully interdict these very same boats, capture and arrest the drug runners, destroy or confiscate the cargo, and sink the boats. We've done this for many years with great success. That method has led to taking down high-level members of cartels but obviously hasn't stopped drug trafficking. This method won't stop it either.
Further speculation is that those making the video also had in mind Trump's desire in his first administration to use the military for domestic law enforcement and his question about whether it would be acceptable to shoot rioters in the legs ("summer of love" riots") rather than kill them. Secretary Esper and, I believe Milley, both said NO and NO. Further they probably have in mind Hegseth's and Trump's dog and pony show for Flag Officers and Senior Enlisted Advisors where they both talked about using the military to quash crime in cities. That hasn't happened, but if they were ordered to do domestic law enforcement and/or to harm civilians, that would be an unlawful order and there is no legal top cover for that. It's clear in the law that the military (exceptions for National Guard) cannot to domestic law enforcement or harm American citizens in the US who aren't engaged in war with the US.
Anyway, that's my speculation on their motives for the ill-advised videos. I doubt they expected the President to lose his mind over it. My speculation for that is that the President is well aware that there is a ton of consternation about the boat attacks and he is likely worried that someone in the higher levels of the chain of command will do something more overt than retire and either refuse the order (and face the consequences) or start leaking information on the legality of the attacks. Possibly even JAG memos stating their opinion that they're illegal. It's a political mistake for the President to react the way his done and a huge mistake if they actually recall Senator Kelly and attempt to prosecute him. It's not a good look to do this to a man who's career marks him as an American hero rather than a seditionist.
Just because I forgot to include a recent example of military members refusing to obey orders - the best recent example that comes to mind are those that refused to be vaccinated for COVID. They all faced consequences, but that order was lawful and deemed lawful, so they were discharged. Most, especially the junior enlisted, were merely administratively separated which has no negative connotations for civilian employment or even eventual reenlistment if conditions change, as they have. An officer or senior enlisted person would have been more likely to face legal consequences to include a possible adverse discharge. Around 1 percent refused to obey the order for the COVID vaccination but that's a lot of people in a 1.3 million person military. There is little chance that there will be anything like this number to disobey any current orders - something approaching zero. That number will change if the military were actually ordered to do domestic law enforcement.
I think going after a sitting Senator is a nail in Hegseth's eventual coffin. Despite the fact that it's obviously political retribution and Kelley will never be convicted of anything, Senators are actually friends with each other for the most part, despite any public feuding and political nonsense. Another nail can be proposing to cut military ties with the Scouts (worse for him if he goes through with the boneheaded idea) which is a relationship that's more than a century old. Yes, they allow girls (forced to) and gays (forced to) but it's still a great organization which has the support of many Americans, including many in the military (huge numbers) and Congress. We had a program in Pearl Harbor where Scouts could do an overnight event on the USS Missouri. It was extremely popular. I've had Scouts come abord to do tours on my ships. They camp on our bases. They are the kids of many military members. WTF is Hegseth thinking?
I am looking on the Upside app all over Central and even with the app discounts, I'm not seeing anything at 2.49. the lowest I see is in Crawfordsville and it's 2.80.all the things 🤣🤣🤣 It is insane gas was $5.50 and it’s now 2.50
Average nationwide for regular is $3.10 and it's not as low as $2.50 in any state though I wish it was. I paid $3.50 yesterday at Sam's Club for midgrade (91).
Move to central Indiana. It's been 2.49 for a couple of weeks now. Got some today.
You also said on the old board that gas would be below $2 at this point. So you're not the best to follow when it comes to gas prices.
https://twitter.com/gasbuddyguy/status/1993691939401785834?s=46
If I drive to Oklahoma and fill up do I win the bet?
I would have bet she was exaggerating BUT she's actually telling the truth. Nearly 30 states have avg gas prices below $3 today. 27 to be exact. That's good news.I am looking on the Upside app all over Central and even with the app discounts, I'm not seeing anything at 2.49. the lowest I see is in Crawfordsville and it's 2.80.all the things 🤣🤣🤣 It is insane gas was $5.50 and it’s now 2.50
Average nationwide for regular is $3.10 and it's not as low as $2.50 in any state though I wish it was. I paid $3.50 yesterday at Sam's Club for midgrade (91).
Move to central Indiana. It's been 2.49 for a couple of weeks now. Got some today.
You also said on the old board that gas would be below $2 at this point. So you're not the best to follow when it comes to gas prices.
https://twitter.com/gasbuddyguy/status/1993691939401785834?s=46
If I drive to Oklahoma and fill up do I win the bet?
None below $2 though. That ship has probably sailed forever - maybe sunk somewhere in the middle of the ocean. 😉
There will never be a prosecution of Sen. Kelly. Mark it down:
Trump's case against Senator Mark Kelly faces steep hurdles under military law | Reuters
I would have bet she was exaggerating BUT she’s actually telling the truth. Nearly 30 states have avg gas prices below $3 today. 27 to be exact. That’s good news.
None below $2 though. That ship has probably sailed forever – maybe sunk somewhere in the middle of the ocean. 😉
I paid $2.65 today. Lowest I can recall since Covid. Trump might win me over yet.
There will never be a prosecution of Sen. Kelly. Mark it down:
Trump's case against Senator Mark Kelly faces steep hurdles under military law | Reuters
Hegseth would be out the door if he tried that. He's on thin ice as it is.
There will never be a prosecution of Sen. Kelly. Mark it down:
Trump's case against Senator Mark Kelly faces steep hurdles under military law | Reuters
Hegseth would be out the door if he tried that. He's on thin ice as it is.
Victor Hansen, a former military prosecutor and professor at New England Law Boston, said it was one thing for Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth to threaten a court-martial and another for it to take place.“It would be a mistake to assume that Pete Hegseth can by fiat say, `OK we’re going to court-martial.` That's not going to happen," Hansen said in an interview.Is this the same Victor Hansen that dbm and stoll and others always love to cite when they're defending Trump?
Nope. Apparently that's just a popular name for conservatives.
Hegseth is totally unqualified for his job. This will not sit well with the Senate.
@aloha-hoosier Are the senators qualified? Your party nominated a VP who was in office for historic fraud. I have little faith in any of the gov types. I prefer outsiders.
My party nominated a mentally unstable asshole for President. People really are stupid.@aloha-hoosier Are the senators qualified? Your party nominated a VP who was in office for historic fraud. I have little faith in any of the gov types. I prefer outsiders.
As for Hegseth, the senior ranks think he’s a totally unqualified asshole who cannot be trusted. This is a fact.
@aloha-hoosier Who is doing a decent job. Far better than the insane left. If you weren’t governed by emotions you would understand that. Socialism. Gov takings. Ineptitude. Dei. CRT. Hate cops. Hate the country. Open borders. And you are worried about Trump? When is your evaluation in D C? Do not miss it!
This is all about Hegseth's emotions. What he's planning to do is an administrative action. This is because his JAGs have told him they have no justification to charge Kelly with anything and if they did charge him, he would easily win in a Court-Martial. Hegseth doesn't like that answer and is doing what a poor leader would do, throw a hissy fit and issue a harshly worded letter. No reduction in rank will stand.@aloha-hoosier Who is doing a decent job. Far better than the insane left. If you weren’t governed by emotions you would understand that. Socialism. Gov takings. Ineptitude. Dei. CRT. Hate cops. Hate the country. Open borders. And you are worried about Trump? When is your evaluation in D C? Do not miss it!
I will be in DC and visiting the Pentagon this month. Hegseth is considered a walking and talking unqualified joke. I know this for a fact.
MAGAs don't get to talk about supporting the blue or law and order after J6. It's totally hypocritical.
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