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Happy “The Dream Is Dead” Day

MyTeamIsOnTheFloor's avatar
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IMO Dr. King’s dream of a peaceful race-neutral nation of equal opportunity is dead. But maybe his speech can re-ignite it.

 


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Topic starter Posted : 08/28/2026 12:09 pm
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CO. Hoosier
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@myteamisonthefloor 
We have gotten to the point that equal access to education, jobs, full participation in the economy and more is not satisfactory.  That is what MLK fought for.  Now all of that must fundamentally change because such things  are seen as a product of white supremacy and oppression. We watched this shift in real time over the last several decades.  We didn’t stop it because???  I don’t  know. I have my opinions.  I hope we can course correct, but probably not in my lifetime.  We knew better.


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Posted : 08/28/2026 8:23 pm
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@myteamisonthefloor 
We have gotten to the point that equal access to education, jobs, full participation in the economy and more is not satisfactory.  That is what MLK fought for.  Now all of that must fundamentally change because such things  are seen as a product of white supremacy and oppression. We watched this shift in real time over the last several decades.  We didn’t stop it because???  I don’t  know. I have my opinions.  I hope we can course correct, but probably not in my lifetime.  We knew better.

MLK was a Marxist. He had some good things to say about race equality. But equal access was never his end goal. 

 


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Posted : 08/28/2026 8:33 pm
CO. Hoosier
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@carramrod 

Strongly disagree. No interest in explaining why at this time. 


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Posted : 08/28/2026 8:58 pm
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@myteamisonthefloor 
We have gotten to the point that equal access to education, jobs, full participation in the economy and more is not satisfactory.  That is what MLK fought for.  Now all of that must fundamentally change because such things  are seen as a product of white supremacy and oppression. We watched this shift in real time over the last several decades.  We didn’t stop it because???  I don’t  know. I have my opinions.  I hope we can course correct, but probably not in my lifetime.  We knew better.

MLK was a Marxist. He had some good things to say about race equality. But equal access was never his end goal. 

 

 

I’m pretty sure he was Baptist

 


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Topic starter Posted : 08/28/2026 8:59 pm
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Posted by: @co-hoosier
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@myteamisonthefloor 
We have gotten to the point that equal access to education, jobs, full participation in the economy and more is not satisfactory.  That is what MLK fought for.  Now all of that must fundamentally change because such things  are seen as a product of white supremacy and oppression. We watched this shift in real time over the last several decades.  We didn’t stop it because???  I don’t  know. I have my opinions.  I hope we can course correct, but probably not in my lifetime.  We knew better.

MLK was a Marxist. He had some good things to say about race equality. But equal access was never his end goal. 

 

 

I’m pretty sure he was Baptist

 

 

He was a Baptist Marxist. Never officially embraced Marx, because of the Baptist thing. 

But shared all of Marx’s critiques of capitalism. 

 


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Posted : 08/28/2026 9:04 pm
BradStevens
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MLK was probably a democratic socialist, of the ilk of the 60s, not today's version.  

https://www.dsausa.org/blog/saving-martin-luther-king-jr-and-others-from-the-capitalist-memory-hole/

Highly doubtful, though, that he would sign on to Marx's version.  For one, MLK wouldn't have agreed with his philosophical materialism. Two, MLK would have rejected Marx's atheism. Three, MLK was not a supporter of violent revolution.  Four, I don't think there is anything in MLK to suggest he'd support a dictatorship of the proletariat.  


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Posted : 08/29/2026 8:48 am
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MLK was probably a democratic socialist, of the ilk of the 60s, not today's version.  

Not to be conspiratorial, but King wasn't killed until after he started advocating for economic justice, not just civil rights.


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Posted : 08/29/2026 12:18 pm
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MLK was probably a democratic socialist, of the ilk of the 60s, not today's version.  

Not to be conspiratorial, but King wasn't killed until after he started advocating for economic justice, not just civil rights.

I gotta call BS on that.

The whole point of civil rights and non-discrimination was economics. The “dream” speech was about cashing the “insufficient funds” check. 

 


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Topic starter Posted : 08/29/2026 1:15 pm
CO. Hoosier
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@myteamisonthefloor 

Right. The stated constitutional authority for the civil rights act was the commerce clause. Civil rights was always inextricably attached to economics.  


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Posted : 08/29/2026 7:47 pm
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