The fcking democrats in the House booed a moment of prayer. Hell yes Democrats are at fault, they’re demonizing anyone who supports Trump.Reports now that Trump has put out a video that concludes by blaming the Democrats.
Remember Biden talking about Trump in the cross hairs?
Hopefully Matthew Dowd has been fired after blaming Kirk for his own death. Pure Evil.
Hell yes Democrats are at fault, they’re demonizing anyone who supports Trump.
cmon stoll. Were Republicans at fault for the shootings in MN?
Each side has their grievance and starting point. It doesn't matter now whose fault it was 30 years ago. It matters whether or not we stop this kind of stuff going forward. I see no indication from our politicians, the general public partisans, or the partisans here that they have any interest in making things better.@larsiu “First punch”?
This happened in a vacuum? It was a little more complicated than that. Political excess on the left, in the media, politics, education and entertainment might have played a little part in things.
I get it but I’m only fifty. The hockey stick escalation on the graph has occurred since then though. Maybe because we had such a long period where Dems controlled congress but there was a Pub president.
im just spitting facts here. Not apportioning blame. Hell, I even think Gingrich’s “contract with America” was perfect for the Clinton presidency. Curbed the possible excesses of the Dems at the time. But the rise of right wing radio where facts were fluid helped set the stage for 24 hour news (eg proved there was a market for it) and guess which party dominated thar medium for the longest and drove it to the stupidity we see today. The Dems. Genesis doesn’t really matter here. It’s the escalating nature of the problem which will LITERALLY get you killed these days.
im sad.
Was the tran who killed Catholics republican? Seems to me he was another radical leftist killing those he disagreed with.Hell yes Democrats are at fault, they’re demonizing anyone who supports Trump.
cmon stoll. Were Republicans at fault for the shootings in MN?
The fcking democrats in the House booed a moment of prayer.
No, they didn't. Do some research instead of just believing the first thing that comes across your feed.
I guess cheering “no” on requested prayer for Kirk isn’t booing.The fcking democrats in the House booed a moment of prayer.
No, they didn't. Do some research instead of just believing the first thing that comes across your feed.
@goat told ya
https://twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1966082034956165409?t=Cf_JNv9HydXaEggRI6y0aA&s=19
There’s a lot of me’s out there. But also on the right. Folks like Crazed, Hoopsdoc, murt etc, who are so closely aligned with moderate Dems on the vision for America (but certainly have disagreements), that we must find the center and grow out from there. I just have no fucking clue how to do it.
Most Americans are definitely more aligned on general things than what is reported. I think social media gives the crazy fringes too much of a voice. People harassing Kirk's wife and the people who made fun of Paul Pelosi getting brutally attacked in his home can go eat the same pile of sh!t for all I care.
But you can't blame what a person on your side did on what someone on the other side did. What he said is the equivalent of someone on the right killing Rachel Maddow and then blaming it on the Kirk shooting.@goat it’s not quote mining. It’s his words. He could have chosen to comment like Newsom. He didn’t. Now he can own it. Your excusing it is bizarre
I'm not excusing it. He would have been better off not to have said it. What I'm doing is condemning those who would frame what he said in a dishonest light just so they can claim that the other side is the problem that can't be reasoned with. That will not help. It will only make things worse.
In other words, I agree Newsom's comment was far better than Pritzker's. But I'm also saying people like you, DBM, Dakich, etc., you aren't Newsom. You're Prtizker.
There are 10 types of people in this world, those who know binary and those who don't.
Kirk had plenty of enemies on the right as well. Particularly the libertarian anti Israel bunch. Just sayin.@aloha-hoosier I don’t know what this means. It was political. His motivation was politics.
Aloha is correctly reminding us we don't know that. In theory, it could have been his wife's high school crush who never forgot about her and developed a dangerous obsession. Can't know for sure.
But, yeah, in real life, it was probably politics.
The elephant in the room of the Democrat/left is the Matthew Dowd statements and all this celebrating. The celebrating you see on Twitter is being shared by people in private conversations that you all know--especially you, Ohio Guy--and the stuff you see on Twitter et al. is just the tip of the iceberg. And yes, MSNBC realized Dowd had gone too far, but he sure felt comfortable saying what he said--no doubt he and others like him have had many of these same conversations off air and no one thinks twice about them.
The large segment of the left has bought into the idea that people who espouse ideas like Kirk--people who think abortion is the murder of a baby, or believe God should be a part of American life, or believe that people should own guns for self defense, that illegal immigrants should be deported (or even called illegal), that inner city black culture is infused with violence and other bad habits, that trans people cannot change their sex and their desire to change genders is mental illness or depravity--are all "hate speech." And for many on the left, engaging in hate speech means you get what you deserve if you are then a target of hate--what goes around comes around.
Put another way, the left has managed to talk itself into the belief that the typical Republican position is not just misguided, but evil, and that those who espouse those beliefs themselves are evil.
For the 100th time, I recommend Jonathan Haidt's The Righteous Mind (#WaterCooler Book Club). Here's a blog review/takeaway from some guy I've never heard of, but he seems to get the gist of the book right:
The left and many democrats are comfortable that getting rid of Trump and his supporters should happen by any means possible.
The constant demonization of Trump and his supporters from the left isn’t helpful.But you can't blame what a person on your side did on what someone on the other side did. What he said is the equivalent of someone on the right killing Rachel Maddow and then blaming it on the Kirk shooting.@goat it’s not quote mining. It’s his words. He could have chosen to comment like Newsom. He didn’t. Now he can own it. Your excusing it is bizarre
I'm not excusing it. He would have been better off not to have said it. What I'm doing is condemning those who would frame what he said in a dishonest light just so they can claim that the other side is the problem that can't be reasoned with. That will not help. It will only make things worse.
In other words, I agree Newsom's comment was far better than Pritzker's. But I'm also saying people like you, DBM, Dakich, etc., you aren't Newsom. You're Prtizker.