@big-ryan no i think @snarlcakes is right. you must be really old or on a college campus like ohio guy totally removed from what's going on in cities, well, and what the party has been doign for five years straight. you both are painfully out of touch
The Collins Living Center represents the modern Democratic party.
@ohio-guy i'll take any bets you want. i pick four woke socialists and you can have the field? it'll be fun. i can take harris aoc stay at home pete and newsom. you can have the field. newsom and harris are already getting onthe socialism train. starting the narrative now
I'm not really interested in betting on it, but I don't think either of those four will be the presidential nominee. We've seen what Harris can do in a primary and general election and I don't think Democratic leadership want any part in that anymore. I don't think Newsom can win a general election and the powers that be know that. AOC is just Dennis Kucinich with the advantage of better social media platforms. I could see Pete Buttigeig making things interesting and could even be a VP pick, but unfortunately I think being gay would be a liability in a general election, even in 2028.
Other names to consider are John Ossoff and any number of the Democratic governors we've all mentioned here before. Those people are getting traction, but it's still too early to anoint anyone. I think any of those people would have the potential to win in a landslide.
That said, 2020 is too far off to predict anything worth betting on. It's fun to speculate though.
Agreed about keeping an eye on Ossoff. If he wins his reelection bid, he's a star and immediately in the mix for '28.
I'd also keep an eye on Wes Moore and Josh Shapiro. Mark Kelly, too.
I'm with dbm, there is no way on earth the Democrats are going to run a moderate Jewish guy.
If he wins reelection in Georgia, he's a force to be reckoned with. He has already proven adept at campaign fundraising (he holds a massive cash advantage over his Republican challenger), and he's young, articulate, charismatic and fit. Don't count him out.
I'm not discounting anything about the guy, other than he's young and inexperienced at 39 and that he's a white male who happens to be Jewish. There is zero chance today's Democratic party is going to rally support around this guy. The party's leftist element wouldn't vote for him in a general election.
I'm not discounting anything about the guy, other than he's young and inexperienced at 39 and that he's a white male who happens to be Jewish. There is zero chance today's Democratic party is going to rally support around this guy. The party's leftist element wouldn't vote for him in a general election.
All of that could be true. I didn't realize he was that young. Maybe he could be on deck down the line. Or he could miss his window. Who knows?
That said, your comment kind of reminded me of Ohio's race for governor. A lot of people are saying the Ohio GOP's far right wing won't vote for a black Hindu.
I hope none of the usual suspects go apeshit and get this thread locked, because the desperation is thoroughly entertaining.
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I'm not discounting anything about the guy, other than he's young and inexperienced at 39 and that he's a white male who happens to be Jewish. There is zero chance today's Democratic party is going to rally support around this guy. The party's leftist element wouldn't vote for him in a general election.
All of that could be true. I didn't realize he was that young. Maybe he could be on deck down the line. Or he could miss his window. Who knows?
That said, your comment kind of reminded me of Ohio's race for governor. A lot of people are saying the Ohio GOP's far right wing won't vote for a black Hindu.
Good chance Vivek loses. Not so much because of ethnicity but more of that idiotic comment he made about American work ethic.
exactly. It’ll be a combo of Harris Newsom AOC Pete. They’re all interchangeable
there’s nothing left here. @bulk-vh close it up. Thank you 🙌
Yah, it's a complete crapshoot at this point. Lots of world and national events between now and the start of presidential primary season. Nobody knows who the nominee will be, and it could end up being someone who is barely on anyone's radar right now.
Totally agree. It's strange that anyone would think anything is set at this point. It just doesn't track for what presidential history would indicate. Barack Obama came onto the national stage with his speech at the DNC in 2004, but wasn't a serious presidential candidate until he officially announced in 2007. Even then, no one thought a black man could win in 2008.
And Trump announced his '16 run in '15 and at the time no one actually thought a crazy corrupt person would win a major political party nomination. Yet here we are. Even a year out in Republican primaries he had his work cut out for him to actually win the nomination.
Things might take shape after the midterms. We'll have a much better sense of who will come out on top closer to this time next year.
Well said, and two good examples.
MAGA's "Look! Over there! A socialist!" obsession shifts the focus from Trump and his incompetence, insanity and corruption.
”it isn’t in schools”
Good opinion piece from Michelle Goldberg:
"If you were cooking up an ideal 2028 candidate in a lab, he — and let’s face it, it’s probably a he — would look a lot like Ossoff. He’s young and handsome, with a picture-perfect family: a beautiful wife who works as an obstetrician-gynecologist and two small daughters. He’s a Southerner from a reddish state with a history of wooing Black voters. And he’s a Jewish critic of Israel who, as much as anyone in politics today, has the potential to bridge the Democratic Party’s agonizing divide over Zionism.
"But the excitement Ossoff is generating is about more than demographics. It stems from his skill in eviscerating Trump’s gluttonous profiteering, his brazen attempts to turn this country into the most squalid sort of kleptocracy. In his bid for re-election in a state Trump won in 2024, some expected Ossoff to tack to the center; last year JD Vance predicted that he’d start praising Trump’s agenda. Instead, Ossoff is excoriating Trump and his systemic corruption in a way that transcends the Democratic Party’s progressive-moderate divide."
Opinion | Why Everyone Wants Jon Ossoff to Run for President - The New York Times
Georgia Sen. Jon Ossoff sees presidential chatter grow among Democrats
@big-ryan my Jewish friends. Of which I have many. My two Jewish partners. Will vote Jd or Rubio. They absolutely hate the Dem party. Think they are the dumbest clowns on the planet. They would vote for this guy. He’s light years better than all the Dems have. I hope he gets off trump. Trump isn’t running. Only people like you and shooter and aloha and hickory care about Trump at this point. That’s not great company.
. He needs to get on the issues. Get on costs. Back cops. Jobs not socialism etc. but crying about Trump is just stupid. Others have a larger platform and are already doing that. Go after your own party and why you’re the guy. Let’s take roll call and actually see who really runs the Dems. My money is on mamdani AOC socialists not this guy
@big-ryan my Jewish friends. Of which I have many. My two Jewish partners. Will vote Jd or Rubio. They absolutely hate the Dem party. Think they are the dumbest clowns on the planet. They would vote for this guy. He’s light years better than all the Dems have. I hope he gets off trump. Trump isn’t running. Only people like you and shooter and aloha and hickory care about Trump at this point. That’s not great company.
. He needs to get on the issues. Get on costs. Back cops. Jobs not socialism etc. but crying about Trump is just stupid. Others have a larger platform and are already doing that. Go after your own party and why you’re the guy. Let’s take roll call and actually see who really runs the Dems. My money is on mamdani AOC socialists not this guy
So, you DON'T want it locked up.
Got it. 😎
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Murt's Jewish friends.
@dbmhoosier no mine are the stereotypical ones. Short. Fat. Friar tucks.
