(1) “poverty” doesn’t mean one person or another is in poverty it refers to an overall poverty rate. So a form of discrimination that makes more black people poor but gets white people out of poverty at the same numerical rate, wouldn’t affect “poverty” as it’s being discussed here.
In economic theory, and let's remove race, if left-handers were discriminated against, wouldn't left-handers have to take jobs below market rate just to have a job? They wouldn't have opportunities to go elsewhere and make better money so there cannot be upward wage pressure on left-handers. If they were not discriminated against, employers would have to pay a prevailing wage for all, not the discounted wage.
Now think about what happens with the right handers.(1) “poverty” doesn’t mean one person or another is in poverty it refers to an overall poverty rate. So a form of discrimination that makes more black people poor but gets white people out of poverty at the same numerical rate, wouldn’t affect “poverty” as it’s being discussed here.
In economic theory, and let's remove race, if left-handers were discriminated against, wouldn't left-handers have to take jobs below market rate just to have a job? They wouldn't have opportunities to go elsewhere and make better money so there cannot be upward wage pressure on left-handers. If they were not discriminated against, employers would have to pay a prevailing wage for all, not the discounted wage.
@bradstevens they make more money, not changing the poverty rate at all.
I know mayor Pete caught hell for it, but cities like Indy, Miami, others, had a thriving Black "middle" class until we ran interstates through. Those same Black shopkeepers could not afford land values in the new neighborhoods and went out of business. I quoted middle above because they were not the same as White middle class in income, but they were shop owners making a living better than many other Blacks. The interstates may have been more economic than racial, but that doesn't change the damage done. Pay someone going rate for the absolute cheapest land in town, how are they going to rebuild elsewhere? Especially when banks won't lend money to Blacks (can anyone deny that in the 1960s).
Why wouldn't discrimination in favor of right handers change the poverty rate for right handers (as in, decrease it)?they make more money, not changing the poverty rate at all.
You're on a tangent here, I think. You're arguing about policies that disproportionately made black people worse off than they would have been otherwise. I agree with your assessment.
What I am saying is that those policies might have had an overall net effect of pulling an equal number of poor white people out of poverty through the very discrimination you are talking about w/r/t hiring practices.
In other words, for overall poverty numbers, the things you are complaining about don't affect how many total people are in poverty, just which demographic gets hit hardest. That's a different (but important) question.
Interstate highways? Are you kidding? There were scores of things happening that affected black poverty more than a highway. Things like welfare requirements regarding the makeup of homes; criminal justice leniency; school discipline leniency; transforming the United States from being a force for good into being the product of slavery, oppression and original sin; the war on poverty that stripped responsibility and dreams from millions of people; drugs; bad health from a system that focused on paying providers instead of making people healthy. I could go on. The most important driver of poverty is simply crappy public education, which is well documented. There are many reasons for that too. We spent trillions at the federal, state and local levels on “education” that only injected political and social bullshit into student minds, mostly Black student minds. The Mississippi miracle showed every dime was wasted. Now we are seeing what bad education produces.
We've been seeing it for quite a long time, actually, going back to at least when you were in school:Interstate highways? Are you kidding? There were scores of things happening that affected black poverty more than a highway. Things like welfare requirements regarding the makeup of homes; criminal justice leniency; school discipline leniency; transforming the United States from being a force for good into being the product of slavery, oppression and original sin; the war on poverty that stripped responsibility and dreams from millions of people; drugs; bad health from a system that focused on paying providers instead of making people healthy. I could go on. The most important driver of poverty is simply crappy public education, which is well documented. There are many reasons for that too. We spent trillions at the federal, state and local levels on “education” that only injected political and social bullshit into student minds, mostly Black student minds. The Mississippi miracle showed every dime was wasted. Now we are seeing what bad education produces.
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