Even though they are merely a local cover band here in Indy, my wife and I love My Yellow Rickshaw, especially when they play at the Rathskeller. They play straight for 3 hours, and are a party the whole time. I can't recommend them highly enough.
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@ohio-guy Lennon beat women (not "reportedly"--he admitted it) and abused his own son. He mocked disabled people. He beat a man nearly to death for joking that he might be gay.
What would you call it?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/john-lennons-dark-side-domestic-6481985
I'm not really interested in excusing his behavior, but most all that happened when he was a teen and in his early 20s. I don't know that I'd say he abused Julian Lennon - and Julian doesn't ever really make that claim - but he definitely did get the raw end of the stick.
John Lennon was himself a tortured soul - his father wasn't around and his mother was killed when she was hit by a car when he was in his early teens - I think he had a lot sh!t to work through and he worked through it.
Although he was 1/2 of the greatest songwriting duo in history, there is some delicious irony in someone so critical of the morality of Trump & his supporters idolizing Lennon to the point of making him your avatar. No person is all bad or all good, but if Lennon wasn’t a Beatle you’d undoubtedly view him differently. John was, for the most part, a scoundrel.
& to be clear, there aren’t many bigger fans of the Beatles than I am. I took Glenn Gass’s Beatles class at IU…
Most fun band I've seen in concert is Cowboy Mouth.
I’m not really interested in excusing his behavior, but most all that happened when he was a teen and in his early 20s. I don’t know that I’d say he abused Julian Lennon – and Julian doesn’t ever really make that claim – but he definitely did get the raw end of the stick.
John Lennon was himself a tortured soul – his father wasn’t around and his mother was killed when she was hit by a car when he was in his early teens – I think he had a lot sh!t to work through and he worked through it.
It's tough when you learn someone you lionized is a douchebag. I get it.
For the record, Julian has stated that his dad emotionally abused him. It's a fact: Lennon abused his wife--physically and emotionally--and emotionally abused his small child and then abandoned them. He freakin' yelled at his kid for the way he laughed.
And I can excuse infidelity since that's a complicated issue. But his wife found out he was cheating with Yoko, when she came home to find John & Yoko sitting in the kitchen, John in his bathrobe, & Yoko in Cynthia’s. Add that to the other abuse he admitted to (imagine what he didn't admit to), and I'm comfortable saying John was a monster in his personal life.
I just recently discovered all this. I like the Beatles music but don't worship them. But Dominic Sandbrook, a historian of that period, brings up his distaste for Lennon periodically on his podcast and so I looked into it. Your avatar reminded me of it. Sorry, Ohio Guy, but your hero was a raging narcissistic asshole. You're telling yourself a story if you think he "worked through it," because he sure as hell did not do that with his son.
It’s tough when you learn someone you lionized is a douchebag. I get it.
All this is news to me. I've become too comfortable under this rock, I guess.
This is why we need 2 off topic forums, with one being free from the political stuff.
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@receipt-keeper Thanks, it was a really good show, and the lead singer of Broken Bones had an amazing voice. Glad I went.
@receipt-keeper Thanks, it was a really good show, and the lead singer of Broken Bones had an amazing voice. Glad I went.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan.
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It's tough when you learn someone you lionized is a douchebag. I get it.
For the record, Julian has stated that his dad emotionally abused him. It's a fact: Lennon abused his wife--physically and emotionally--and emotionally abused his small child and then abandoned them. He freakin' yelled at his kid for the way he laughed.
And I can excuse infidelity since that's a complicated issue. But his wife found out he was cheating with Yoko, when she came home to find John & Yoko sitting in the kitchen, John in his bathrobe, & Yoko in Cynthia’s. Add that to the other abuse he admitted to (imagine what he didn't admit to), and I'm comfortable saying John was a monster in his personal life.
I just recently discovered all this. I like the Beatles music but don't worship them. But Dominic Sandbrook, a historian of that period, brings up his distaste for Lennon periodically on his podcast and so I looked into it. Your avatar reminded me of it. Sorry, Ohio Guy, but your hero was a raging narcissistic asshole. You're telling yourself a story if you think he "worked through it," because he sure as hell did not do that with his son.
In both her books where Cynthia talks about John she specifically says she saw a change in him around 1965. Yes, both were treated pretty shitty by John, but Julian especially felt closer to his dad from the mid 70s until John’s assassination. Both Cynthia and Julian both were on record saying they loved him. They also contradicted themselves semi-regularly from one interview to the next.
I‘m not excusing his behavior and quite frankly he didn’t excuse it either. In his own words he was pretty open about who and what he was in his teens/ early 20s. He said he was a violent man who learned not to be violent.
I also think it’s a fool’s errand to judge people from mid 20th century by today’s standards. Any number of things he said and did would have undeniably gotten him canceled in modern times. The same could be said for any number of public figures from the 50s and 60s.
I do think he was a genius who could express himself better through song in a way that was very relatable to a lot of people. He is probably one of the handful of most influential people from the 60s, maybe even the 20th century. As far as artists go, I don’t believe there are many people who were as influential as the Beatles.
Anybody been to any good shows lately?
We just got done watching Umphrey's Mcgee, which is always good. Wife wants to go to both nights of Dave, but I think I'll let her go with her friend Friday and join Saturday.
What has everybody seen?
No but going to see My Morning Jacket at the Salt Shed in October. MMJ is always great but I'm more excited to see the venue. I haven't been yet and I've heard it's great
I also think it’s a fool’s errand to judge people from mid 20th century by today’s standards. Any number of things he said and did would have undeniably gotten him canceled in modern times. The same could be said for any number of public figures from the 50s and 60s.
Cognitive dissonance is always interesting to view.
Beating women and abusing your child was as monstrous in the mid 20th century as it is today.
As for finding comfort in trying to call the abused out for “contradictions,” that’s gross. Better to just say you like his music so you don’t care about his personal life.
Some decent shows coming this summer.
Just had a nice run of 90's Dallas bands in Indy (Old 97's, Reverend Horton Heat, Tripping Daisy) that was cool for me.
Swell Season tonight in Indy. Wife's outta town at an ID camp, but we'd usually go check them out. The couple from the movie Once.
Lord Huron this Friday. Cool Michigan band.
Barenaked Ladies next Sunday...always funny but would be better with Steven Page still in the band.
Toss up between American Aquarium or Silversun Pickups 7/23...either are great.
Vandoliers coming to HiFi end of July. Dallas band that sounds like a cross between Old 97's and Flogging Molly.
Chris Stapleton kicks off August.
Kurt Vile always good...early August. Flogging Molly same week if you like that Irish punk sound.
Band of Horses and Semisonic in the same week in Indy at Nickel Plate and Broad Ripple Park second week of August.
Head and the Heart always a nice, chill show.
Drive By Truckers sharing a bill with Deer Tick will be cool.
Flaming Lips and Modest Mouse a good combo as well.
Red Clay Strays and then The Fray on back to back nights third week.
Yacht Rock review always worth it.
Bush opens for Shinedown (for some reason). Would be cool if they just played Sixteen Stone and nothing else.
Briscoe...good Texas band that sounds kinda like Caamp...worth seeing.
Black Keys with Gary Clark Jr opening...solid.
Those Oasis highlights have me thinking of making the run to Chicago end of August...we'll see.
@mattndallas Good to see another BCC straggler make it over. We need help keeping stoll in line.