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BradStevens
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Yeah, it's a lib book talking point, but who thinks we don't need more:

1.  Power

2.  AI infrastructure

3.  Housing

4. 


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How many candidates in 2028 will run on this?  Broadly, I'd imagine two solutions will be proposed:  (1) suspend or eliminate a lot of regulations or red tape and let the market decide, or (2) have govt actively subsidize and centrally plan some of this stuff.

Is there a compromise solution?  


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Topic starter Posted : 09/01/2026 11:10 am
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Posted by: @bradstevens

but who thinks we don't need more:

The biggest complainers about AI are those whose jobs are most at risk. 


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Posted : 09/01/2026 11:17 am
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People don't want data centers anywhere near them. 

Americans Oppose AI Data Centers in Their Area

 


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Posted : 09/01/2026 11:32 am
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Posted by: @big-ryan

People don't want data centers anywhere near them. 

Americans Oppose AI Data Centers in Their Area

 

They feel the same about Nuclear power. That doesn't mean we don't need more of each.

 


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Posted : 09/01/2026 11:39 am
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Posted by: @big-ryan

People don't want data centers anywhere near them. 

Americans Oppose AI Data Centers in Their Area

 

I think there needs to be better education on this topic. Reminds me of the debate around nuclear. As noted in the study below, in 1998 only 47% of people supported building new nuclear power plants. That number rose to over 70% in 2024 before slightly dipping in 2025 (I suspect due to it's relationship to data centers). 

People didn't think they wanted nuclear energy but when faced with the truth (it's cheaper, cleaner, and more reliable than traditional power generation like coal or natural gas and way more efficient than renewables), people's attitudes changed. The same will happen with data centers b/c they are going to be a necessary part of the economy moving forward. 

2025 National Nuclear Energy Public Opinion Survey: U.S. Public Support for Nuclear Energy Remains High — Bisconti Research, Inc.

 


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BradStevens
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Posted by: @larsiu

Posted by: @big-ryan

People don't want data centers anywhere near them. 

Americans Oppose AI Data Centers in Their Area

 

I think there needs to be better education on this topic. Reminds me of the debate around nuclear. As noted in the study below, in 1998 only 47% of people supported building new nuclear power plants. That number rose to over 70% in 2024 before slightly dipping in 2025 (I suspect due to it's relationship to data centers). 

People didn't think they wanted nuclear energy but when faced with the truth (it's cheaper, cleaner, and more reliable than traditional power generation like coal or natural gas and way more efficient than renewables), people's attitudes changed. The same will happen with data centers b/c they are going to be a necessary part of the economy moving forward. 

2025 National Nuclear Energy Public Opinion Survey: U.S. Public Support for Nuclear Energy Remains High — Bisconti Research, Inc.

 

I'm not sure "education" will work.

Long term, probably need school indoctrination. I won't hold my breath.  

 


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https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/x-reveals-it-uncovered-a-chinese-bot-farm-of-roughly-200000-accounts-including-hundreds-used-to-influence-u-s-debate-over-ai-data-centers-energy-policy/


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People  don’t understand how much data we produce and store every hour of every day.  It never stops. This forum has gobs of newly created data that is stored someplace. I can find briefs I wrote 20 years ago, ski data from a week of skiing in 2015, emails I sent or received forever, thousands of photos I’ve taken.  Most of that data I will never use, but it still resides in some data center.

Streaming, automatic backups, and connected devices all produce data to be stored. How many of us would eliminate any of that?

And then consider all who work remotely and the data required to support them.  The point is for personal and commercial use, the amount of data produced by us and businesses needs to be stored.  Guess what?  That takes data centers.  And the data necessary to support funny bitcoin money?   The amount of data is astounding.

A proposal:  let’s tax data!  We can eliminate  all consumption taxes and income taxes.  A data tax where we tax stored data and newly created data could run the country and pay down the debt.  With available tech, that can be done.  But it would require more data. 

 

 


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Posted : 09/01/2026 12:54 pm
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@oneeyedundertaker Can’t tell you.


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Posted : 09/01/2026 1:18 pm
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Posted by: @bradstevens

Yeah, it's a lib book talking point, but who thinks we don't need more:

1.  Power

2.  AI infrastructure

3.  Housing

4. 


ufc 190 cryptocurrency GIF

Smile

 

How many candidates in 2028 will run on this?  Broadly, I'd imagine two solutions will be proposed:  (1) suspend or eliminate a lot of regulations or red tape and let the market decide, or (2) have govt actively subsidize and centrally plan some of this stuff.

Is there a compromise solution?  

 BradStevens

Normally would be in complete agreement with you.

However, read an impressive article recently which argued Big Tech with little competition will control AI.

As to government regulation, it said it could help but reminds us with the following...

government policy often winds up entrenching, rather than mitigating, the power of these companies as they leverage their access to money and their political clout.

 


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Posted by: @hooky

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/x-reveals-it-uncovered-a-chinese-bot-farm-of-roughly-200000-accounts-including-hundreds-used-to-influence-u-s-debate-over-ai-data-centers-energy-policy/

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It's kind of amazing how many accounts are based offshore when you start looking at college sports and entertainment posts.  Can't imagine it's much different if you started poking around on some of those types of posts too.

 

 


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Posted by: @big-ryan

Posted by: @hooky

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/x-reveals-it-uncovered-a-chinese-bot-farm-of-roughly-200000-accounts-including-hundreds-used-to-influence-u-s-debate-over-ai-data-centers-energy-policy/

Effing China.  When is Trump finally going to stand up to Xi Jinping?  It's one thing after another. 

EXCLUSIVE: Chinese shipper COSCO collects intel for Beijing with concealed equipment, US officials say | Reuters

The China Threat — FBI

NSA Joins FBI in Issuing Warning about Chinese Hacking Group QTFY Cyber Activity > National Security Agency/Central Security Service > Press Release View

 

 

 

What kind of spying/hacking are we doing to them?

 

Who knows.  We're not talking and they can't be believed. 

In any event, we're not currently supporting their opponent in a war. 

 


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