and you know this how ?
and you've still not addressed his past success such as last year.
Where have you seen the 7m published. Honest question I don't seem to find it anywhere.
and again he wasn't top on my list but I would have gambled on him over DD
Its well known he has many skeletons in his closet. There is a reason he's rotting away in Miss. and no big programs have touched him. You can find videos of him drunk stumbling around and babbling on camera. its no secret. Ole Miss is top 5 in SEC for basketball NIL. Hell, their transfer class was ranked 1 spot below IUs last year. He had 8 transfers in, most of them 4 stars. You think he did that with pennies?
I don't care what he's done in the past, he's going to have a losing record this year. Don't act like you'd support an IU coach with a losing record. We all know you wouldn't.
I don't see anywhere where it lists wha mt they spent. Not sure how you know that outside of speculation and some reasoning in your own. Nor is there any credible evidence of your claims of his public drunkenness at Ole Miss so I'm not buying that part at all. About the losing yes I'd be disappointed in this years record for sure. But we were looking for a coach last year. And based on last year I would have had him on the list. Not at the top at all but on it. Higher on it than DK. His body of work is more impressive than DK. No way to speculate that what is happening at Ole Miss this year is what would've happened at IU had we hired him. Thats not even a relevant argument.
I'm done yapping ... or at least I'll cut back significantly (much to the delight of many). It is what it is, and all my bitching won't change who's on the sidelines. I'll have to change my thinking and view 20-12 every season as a positive.
I'm done yapping ... or at least I'll cut back significantly (much to the delight of many). It is what it is, and all my bitching won't change who's on the sidelines. I'll have to change my thinking and view 20-12 every season as a positive.
He won't be coaching here forever if thats all he accomplishes. There's no reason to act like that is the case. They would have kept Woodson if that was the goal.
For his first year, its not a terrible result and would be better than any IU coach since Sampson's first year. Now, yes, thats a low bar but its a start. Could be a springboard into year 2.
Things are about to get interesting lol
@gthomas Pretty much nailed it. It's a difference between expectations for a given season vs. what we expect year-in and year-out for the program. For this season, I think the expectation and feeling of success for just making the NCAA tournament is reasonable, given we have a 1st year coach who literally had to replace the entire team. It's one thing to have to replace 5 or 6 or even 7 players after a coaching change to supplement an existing core, but the entire team? That's a lot to ask, especially in April! After those early season blowouts to the only good teams we played, and the blowouts against the Big Ten's best so far, I'd say it would be a successful season if we just make the dance.
As for the overall program expectations, based on the last 25 years, most people outside our fanbase would say we're nuts for having such high expectations, especially in year 1 with a new coach. We've been dogshit for so long. But for so many of us, we remember the 80s and early 90s.... and a lot you still remember the 70s / early Bob Knight years. We expect to get back to somewhere near that 70s and 80s version of IU. There's no reason we can't, but for some reason our various administrations have completely bungled every coaching hire since Knight was fired (and they botched that, too). With all that in mind, I understand the feeling of not getting too excited that our team will slip into the dance as a 10 seed. But we have to start somewhere. Not gonna be easy to rebuild the mess our program has been for 25+ years.
Just think if we have hired Bielien or Matta back in 2001 instead of making Davis the permanent head coach? Or if we had stood our ground with Sampson (I know, it was more than the texts and you could argue he might have destroyed the program in some other way, but...) We missed out on Bear a couple of times, too! That hurts. The real, more current killer, is that we hung on to Woody 1 year too long and missed our shot at May. I can't really get over that one. He hurts. A lot.
So here we are with a coach who seems to be doing a good job on the recruiting trail (still need more size) and whose team appears to be figuring it out as the season goes on. If we can sweep LA and then beat Wisconsin at home, I'll feel a lot better about where things are headed and give him a chance to continue recruiting so that we have a full roster of Big Ten caliber players, with some size, who can compete at the top of the conference and nationally.
Time will tell if he's the guy or not. After 25+ years of garbage, what's a few more at this point?
@jhoban19 " ... After 25+ years of garbage, what's a few more at this point? ... "
Exactly. We have a good coach. Likely the program is starting an upswing. Will it be enough? We will see, but he gets a few years to show what he can do, one way or another.
Yes, things could be worse, we lived through it. I'm optimistic for the future, and a bit for this year especially now that we're seeing so much effort by the guys.
What were the expectations the day after Woodson's last day on the job? VS what they were on Nov 4 and vs what they are today. Different answers I'll bet. That's the problem.
We may have a good coach , but I don't think he's earned that moniker yet. We shall see...
I think the knowledgeable fans understand that this dead cat bounce isn’t really something to get excited about right now.
That may be, but the only way you know what knowledgeable fans think is if they tell you.
I haven’t been on this board for weeks, but this is damn depressing. We have a new coach who had to put together an entire new team. We knew there were holes, without a true big man. Obviously criticism is fine, but we actually have a derogatory nickname for him on this board? Sorry, but I think that’s pretty pathetic. And the guy some of you are pining for is currently 11-10? Make it make sense.
Well, when you look at the characters that are using the nickname, it kind of fits. It's what makes me wish the ignore feature were available on this site. Just absolutely asinine stuff.
and the high and mighty are back. Hard to be humble when you're so perfect. You sure do think a lot of yourself.
shut up and cheer right.
@hoosiers94 we might not have a good coach... but I don't think he's earned that moniker yet. But when the more optimistic posters call out the obviously one sided concerns you're making... we're "no it alls"... hmmm. You sound a little too insecure to have played soccer at a program like IU, honestly. You make one sided complaint posts, some posters come back at you with questions and/or counter facts to argue. You call our relatively new coach, a "Doorknob"... and now that they've won 3 straight games, you say he's finally showing some fire. Nope, he's had many red faced yelling moments on the sidelines, all year long. He's had many interactions with students and media, that leave with people impressed with him. But you get to label him a "door knob"... And if anyone calls you out on it... know it all, holier than thou... I guess?
Day after Woodson's last day... Expectations on the boards I was on, were across the board. Beard, Drew, McCollum, Stevens, Otzelberger... And that IU would have top of the conference, if not country NIL resources. But in terms of season 1 expectations... I think the main consensus was NCAA tournament level team.
November 4... after PR and Baylor games... I think most were still worried about depth, and about not having size. But they were excited about a team that would probably shoot a lot of 3s. Still NCAA tournament level team expectations.
Now... Emerging concerns with consistency and various other types of things. But renewed excitement after 3 wins in a row, one of them being Purdue. Expectations... probably still largely remain NCAA tournament team.
So for most level headed posters... the expectations really haven't changed a ton for this year. If we're still here this time next year, not good enough, something needs to change and improve. If not in year 3... fire him, booing at games... etc... that's how it will go, and should go.
As for now, there's no way you know he isn't the guy. Any more than I know he is the guy. But you and guys like Cav have been wrong a lot more than I have. He's not a doorknob. Bailey isn't "trash". Tucker isn't "trash". Sisley shouldn't be starting over any of our current starters.
@iunorth The doorknob nickname makes no sense at all. CDD is very passionate and animated on the sidelines and his players listen to him when he’s talking to them one on one. Big change from Miller and Woodson.
still not sure why you feel you have the right to judge or critique me personally on an open forum. They are my opinions. If you don't like them don't read them. What I was calling out was the altruistic comment made by someone bitching about people bitching. The pot calling the kettle black. Again if you don't like it don't read it. And in the end I'll be right you know I will. You know how this ends .. same as it has with the previous 2 coaches. If you disagree no worries. Free country.
And I happen to give credit where credit is due and you attack me for that.
I don't think you played ball. I think you have little guy syndrome by the way you egotistically rebut and comment as if we are all waiting on the edge of our seats for your long winded insight, as if we will all somehow be enlightened into a new universe by your presence and your gifts of commentary. Talk about wishing the Ignore feature existed here. I'll second that. You sound like hired help.
tourney chances, 30%
tourney chances 35%
Higher than that. Beat USC and it would take an epic collapse to miss out.
I dont think we will beat USC because they are very good at getting to the line and IU is good at putting players on the line. I expect something like the Iowa game again.
Overall, I think they need to be 11-9 which is 20-11, in order to get in. That's 5-4 the rest of the way. But I could see them slipping to 10-10 or even 9-11 if they are unable to keep momentum.