He's not wrong ... you need a new angle. As do I. But don't mention IU being unwilling to shell out another $200k to get [redacted name].I think you work for DD... equalizing the airwaves ... good luck. He'll be gone soon and I'll still be here
Roster last year. There are may here who want to give the excuse for DD that he needs time , he had to rebuild the whole roster.
Dusty May brought in 10 players from the portal last year. Michigan was not stocked with talent. He kept 3 players. The only one who played and time was Will Tschetter. And his time wasn't much.
DD brought Tucker who you could say was on the "roster " so to speak .. he knew the system . So was CE having played for DD for a couple of years. So in essence we are done 1 less player of familiarity. May brought 1 player with him from FAU... Vald Goldin. That's it. Proof it can be done with a rather complete roster reconstruction. Only we need more time.
Tom Crean > Dusty May.
@openwheel We should have hired him last year! Should have fired Woody 1 year sooner and hired May. Biggest no-brainer in the history of no-brainers... but somehow, as we seem to always do, we f'd it up. I'll never get over this, at least not until DD starts bringing home some hardware.
I agree it's the year after year lack of urgency to win and win big. You have to wonder what is the university's goal for basketball
Who should we hire at the end of this season?
@openwheel We should have hired him last year! Should have fired Woody 1 year sooner and hired May. Biggest no-brainer in the history of no-brainers... but somehow, as we seem to always do, we f'd it up. I'll never get over this, at least not until DD starts bringing home some hardware.
I agree it's the year after year lack of urgency to win and win big. You have to wonder what is the university's goal for basketball
Who should we hire at the end of this season?
Brad Stevens…duh 😉
IU has been making shit hires for 25 years and missing out on great coaches. They should have hired Pitino in 2001, or Beilein in 2006, or Underwood in 2017, or Dusty in 2024. But they didn’t because ineptitude defines this university. I am still trying to understand how they got the Cignetti hire right.
Whitten vetoed Dolson's first choice of Fitzgerald. That's how.
@openwheel We should have hired him last year! Should have fired Woody 1 year sooner and hired May. Biggest no-brainer in the history of no-brainers... but somehow, as we seem to always do, we f'd it up. I'll never get over this, at least not until DD starts bringing home some hardware.
I agree it's the year after year lack of urgency to win and win big. You have to wonder what is the university's goal for basketball
Who should we hire at the end of this season?
Brad Stevens…duh 😉
I’m not sold on Coach DD by any means, in fact I lean towards him not being the guy based on a small sample size, but it seems like a pretty good chunk of our fan base is delusional & thinks we can just hire whoever we want or that the coaching ranks are littered with sure things. That’s why I’m interested in who these guys think we are gonna get if we fire Devries.
I’d place a pretty good wager that DD wasn’t our # 1 target, & may not have been in the top 5. I also have heard that as much as we think Dusty would have jumped at the IU job, that he may very well have picked UM over IU to spare his wife’s family still in southern IN the scrutiny & all of the bs that comes with being our coach, not to mention that Meatchicken has likely been the better job for some time now. Who knows.
@openwheel We should have hired him last year! Should have fired Woody 1 year sooner and hired May. Biggest no-brainer in the history of no-brainers... but somehow, as we seem to always do, we f'd it up. I'll never get over this, at least not until DD starts bringing home some hardware.
I agree it's the year after year lack of urgency to win and win big. You have to wonder what is the university's goal for basketball
Who should we hire at the end of this season?
thats Dolsons job.
@openwheel We should have hired him last year! Should have fired Woody 1 year sooner and hired May. Biggest no-brainer in the history of no-brainers... but somehow, as we seem to always do, we f'd it up. I'll never get over this, at least not until DD starts bringing home some hardware.
I agree it's the year after year lack of urgency to win and win big. You have to wonder what is the university's goal for basketball
Who should we hire at the end of this season?
Brad Stevens…duh 😉
ha. Never pined for him
@openwheel We should have hired him last year! Should have fired Woody 1 year sooner and hired May. Biggest no-brainer in the history of no-brainers... but somehow, as we seem to always do, we f'd it up. I'll never get over this, at least not until DD starts bringing home some hardware.
I agree it's the year after year lack of urgency to win and win big. You have to wonder what is the university's goal for basketball
Who should we hire at the end of this season?
Brad Stevens…duh 😉
ha. Never pined for him
Who did you pine for?
@hoosiers94 He made a smart, solid hire with Cignetti. I had advocated for him before Allen was fired, and many on the board at the time, and myself, talked ourselves out of him being a candidate because of his age. I strongly suspect that Dolson knew he was one of the better actual football coaches and program builders available. But I'm also sure he had pressures from other places to make more "flashy" hires.
Logic tells me a similar mindset probably guided his BBall search. Obviously CDD is no Cignetti. Dolson, and the rest of us, got very lucky that Cignetti was as good as he has been. Pretty obvious no one else in college football had any clue he'd be THAT good. But to take the credit away from Dolson for being the only P4 AD, that I know of, to look past the age, and choose him over guys like Fitzgerald... just because for the bball hire he couldn't lure some mythical RMK reincarnate away (that you have no clue who that could be or should have been, evidently), and have them Top 10, and competing for a B10 title in year 1... Well, it makes you look dumb.
Cignetti was always going to win at IU, he was going to build the program and get it headed in the right direction. That's why Dolson hired him. The lucky part is just how good he ended up being. If that wasn't luck, and he knew that, he'd have been coaching at Ohio State, or Penn State, or some other major team years ago.
Darian Devries is going to win at IU. It isn't happening yet how it did for Cignetti... or May... or Lloyd... But it is tracking similarly, better actually, than guys like Hurley, Golden did in their year 1. The only question is will he win big enough, and/or get enough time to win big enough? Many of us have put those concerns on this board. I think its way too early to make a definitive call on that. And to do so, like the Dolson Cignetti hire, you're not giving CDD really any credit at all for the various good things he has done, and is doing.
Devries has not had the sort of scandal or demonstrated utter incompetency that would get him fired after one season. That would cost IU tens of millions of dollars, prolong the chaos that has big donors sitting on their wallets, and further erode fan support and interest. It's just not going to happen. So we'll have to wait and see what he does in the portal and other recruiting and whether that's addressing some of the needs that he didn't adequately cover this year. Meanwhile we've got a team that can be (though isn't always) fun to watch, will probably finish better than 0.500 in the conference, by the metrics will probably make the tournament, and while that's not the acceptable long term standard it's not bad enough to fire a first-year coach anywhere, let alone at a P4 with what that would cost.
@ams66 Had Cignetti been just "good"... and had May been just "good"... I really don't think there'd be as much concern or angst over what CDD has done, and is doing, so far at IU. But while neither of those coaches being great has any bearing on Dolson's decision to hire CDD, and really aren't necessary comparisons... its happening. Those guys can do it, so should CDD. I suspect UConn fans are fairly happy they didn't fire Hurley after one year. Surely after Calhoun's success, and Kevin Ollie winning a natty of all coaches, there must have been plenty that were calling for his head after his first couple years. Same with Todd Golden... Donovan won 2 natty's, Mike White had success, the die hard Florida fans, I'm sure, weren't overly excited about Golden's start.
And while it is definitely different nowadays with Portal, NIL dynamics. The changes this past year with rev share, absolutely do make it a different challenge to what May and Kelsey and Pope faced in their year 1s. It should be very obvious that CDD is implementing some good stuff. And its more than reasonable to see how this next offseason could and should quite a lot different than last offseason was. Calling for firing him, ignoring all the reasons why that's not really realistic, and not having any curiosity for what CDD can do with a full staff, likely more money, and less players to fill the roster out... Well... it sounds silly, to me.
IU got lucky hiring Bob Knight as well. He was all set to go to Wisconsin but someone there leaked it to the press before he could tell his team at Army. He predictably became enraged and rescinded his acceptance of their offer.
Pitino pretty well hit the ground running (might've hit a few other things also) every stop he's been.So hire Dusty.
Who are the other coaches with the fast rebuilds?
But yes, roster is a bit of a concern. I just don't believe many other coaches out there would get much if any more out of our team this year. Who's fault is that, Coach DeVries for the roster. But there are other factors, for one who was available.
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