Daddy's $1.1M gift to his son is off the books, so that helps.
I don't think Carr is some basketball magician, but it should be easy to put together a better roster than this year's clown show.
@arioznahoosier4554 It's hard for many high schools to find a qualified coach period. A lot of those guys have the job for as long as they want it and they know it.
It looks like IU hired a worse Archie. They learned nothing from their past mistakes. For their next coach, watch them hire another NBA retread. And so the cycle continues.
Do we even know if IU will have an increased NIL budget this year?
If they did its because some rich boosters said well football turned it around lets try it on bbal. But me guess is if it did increase its not by enough to make a huge difference. NIL is out of control and guys will cost even more than last year.
@gthomas All guesses, but I think probably decent ones. A couple of Carr's main contributions will be his connections with agents, foreign player reps, grassroots leaders in the US, that DeVries likely doesn't have nearly as much of yet... and then his experience and skills at helping advise and manage an NBA roster. There are so many variables that go in to managing a fixed budget roster, in a very competitive league, and the amount of time, data analysis, details, scouting, etc... that goes in to doing that effectively... well, its why most major bball programs have a position now like Carr. I also think Carr's experiences specifically working with the Pacers, should help. IU will have really good resources available, but not the most or the best. So finding value will be essential. The Pacers have operated as a middle/low end market team for years, and they've had a resurgence during the years Carr has been actively involved. He hasn't been the end decision maker or really any of the draft decisions, or the trade decisions, or the contract decisions... but he's been involved and instrumental. I have to think CDD will be the end decision maker on all the related college decisions made. So Carr will be carrying on similar functions and roles.
Further... I just can't imagine that part of Carr's job wouldn't be also evaluating the level of NIL IU is going to need to truly be competitive. Its hard to imagine him leaving the Pacers job he had, without getting assurances that he'd have resources at competitive levels to expectations. And if the budget is hard capped at 10 million, that would very, very likely signify IU becoming LESS competitive, NIL resources wise, versus who I would assume our expected peers would be.
In short, he's here to help setup of lists of prospects, put CDD together with key people, and to make sure we're maximizing the value on all these kids, and then the value for the entire roster. AND, he's here to help present to key stakeholders, why IU needs XX amount worth of NIL. Its not an exact science. Less so even than NBA talent evaluation, due to the inherent younger ages, and less established talent being evaluated. So he certainly could miss on some kids too. But I think its a safe assumption there will be much less risk of getting someone like Reed Bailey for the equivalent of his 1 million bucks.
@gthomas All guesses, but I think probably decent ones. A couple of Carr's main contributions will be his connections with agents, foreign player reps, grassroots leaders in the US, that DeVries likely doesn't have nearly as much of yet... and then his experience and skills at helping advise and manage an NBA roster. There are so many variables that go in to managing a fixed budget roster, in a very competitive league, and the amount of time, data analysis, details, scouting, etc... that goes in to doing that effectively... well, its why most major bball programs have a position now like Carr. I also think Carr's experiences specifically working with the Pacers, should help. IU will have really good resources available, but not the most or the best. So finding value will be essential. The Pacers have operated as a middle/low end market team for years, and they've had a resurgence during the years Carr has been actively involved. He hasn't been the end decision maker or really any of the draft decisions, or the trade decisions, or the contract decisions... but he's been involved and instrumental. I have to think CDD will be the end decision maker on all the related college decisions made. So Carr will be carrying on similar functions and roles.
Further... I just can't imagine that part of Carr's job wouldn't be also evaluating the level of NIL IU is going to need to truly be competitive. Its hard to imagine him leaving the Pacers job he had, without getting assurances that he'd have resources at competitive levels to expectations. And if the budget is hard capped at 10 million, that would very, very likely signify IU becoming LESS competitive, NIL resources wise, versus who I would assume our expected peers would be.
In short, he's here to help setup of lists of prospects, put CDD together with key people, and to make sure we're maximizing the value on all these kids, and then the value for the entire roster. AND, he's here to help present to key stakeholders, why IU needs XX amount worth of NIL. Its not an exact science. Less so even than NBA talent evaluation, due to the inherent younger ages, and less established talent being evaluated. So he certainly could miss on some kids too. But I think its a safe assumption there will be much less risk of getting someone like Reed Bailey for the equivalent of his 1 million bucks.
But I think its a safe assumption there will be much less risk of getting someone like Reed Bailey for the equivalent of his 1 million bucks.
It all depends on what is available remember Bailey was highly touted in the portal and Kentucky and Kansas wanted him too. The big problem is alot of guys in the portal are not that good and likely whey they are leaving their schools. People thought woodson had two complete stud guards coming in and they turned out to be mostly busts. I for one will not be paying any attention to these portal rankings they seem to be way off in many cases.
Kanaan Carlyle ranked 15th
Miles Rice ranked 24th
Bailey officially entered the portal on March 28 and instantly became a priority recruiting target for programs like Texas, Kentucky, and Kansas. Bailey's size and skill piqued interest across the country.
The contribution I most want is a process that creates positive results for the human resources acquired to own success on the floor. A seldom spoken of task Cignetti has obviously used everywhere he's been.
@hoosier-clarion I want that too. And I've posted at length, on the prior forums, about how I think Indiana needs to force that culture with their entire basketball organization, rather than wait and hope that the bball coach is going to fix it all. But the reality is, the bball coach kind of has to be the tip of the spear with setting those expectations, for the bball program. So with regards to this conversation, I'm not sure Carr can have a huge impact on that mindset, approach, and expectations establishment... But maybe if DeVries is open to knew thoughts and ideas on such things, they could work together to reestablish this mindset? Maybe Carr has skills and ideas from his Pacers days, that can help DeVries? From most accounts that I've ever heard, or read, DeVries handles himself, and holds himself to many of these levels of work and expectations. Maybe Carr can be a guy that helps him lead that drive down through everyone else in the program?
Cig is one of those rare birds... that can handle all the heavy lifting on setting the culter, the expectations, the daily execution... all of it. There are many examples of guys that needed some help with that. And that became wildly successful when they had the right group around them to do it. Dan Hurley is a guy I keep referring to. He was floundering at UConn. They shook the staff up, hired Luke Murray, and everything changed. I don't think anyone would question who's steering the ship in Storrs, but changing and adding guys like Luke Murray made Dan Hurley a MUCH, MUCH more effective basketball coach. It could happen to and for CDD as well.
Yes, Cig is a genius among geniuses when it comes to player assessment. He refuses to fail in the HR area.The contribution I most want is a process that creates positive results for the human resources acquired to own success on the floor. A seldom spoken of task Cignetti has obviously used everywhere he's been.
I just caught the end of an interview Don Fischer was doing recently on IU bball. And he and the other fella were talking about how important having an elite Point Guard is. I think if I had to distill down in to one position where I hope Carr and DeVries focus and pay the most money for, it'd be trying to land an an alpha, elite level point guard.
Look at the best teams in our conference...I'd argue that Nebraska was the only team that finished ahead of us that didn't really have an alpha lead guard of any kind. Most of the teams have really, really, really good elite PGs. Michigan=Cadeau, MSU=Fears, Purdue=Smith, Illinois=Wagler/Boswell, Wisconsin=Boyd, Iowa=Stirtz, UCLA=Dent... more than half those guys were portal guys. Arizona=Bradley, Houston=Flemings... I would say Duke and maybe UConn are the only two teams that don't have an obvious alpha lead guard, among elite level teams.
I'd be tampering like a MoFo right now, talking to Rob Wright's people, incoming frosh, really anyone not likely to go to the NBA. Spend 3-4 million if you have too. But get that alpha PG. Fischer and the other guy brought it up, the last one we had like that was Yogi, and he won 2 Big 10 championships, with Tom Crean as his coach.
Go get a PG DeVries and Carr!
I just caught the end of an interview Don Fischer was doing recently on IU bball. And he and the other fella were talking about how important having an elite Point Guard is. I think if I had to distill down in to one position where I hope Carr and DeVries focus and pay the most money for, it'd be trying to land an an alpha, elite level point guard.
Look at the best teams in our conference...I'd argue that Nebraska was the only team that finished ahead of us that didn't really have an alpha lead guard of any kind. Most of the teams have really, really, really good elite PGs. Michigan=Cadeau, MSU=Fears, Purdue=Smith, Illinois=Wagler/Boswell, Wisconsin=Boyd, Iowa=Stirtz, UCLA=Dent... more than half those guys were portal guys. Arizona=Bradley, Houston=Flemings... I would say Duke and maybe UConn are the only two teams that don't have an obvious alpha lead guard, among elite level teams.
I'd be tampering like a MoFo right now, talking to Rob Wright's people, incoming frosh, really anyone not likely to go to the NBA. Spend 3-4 million if you have too. But get that alpha PG. Fischer and the other guy brought it up, the last one we had like that was Yogi, and he won 2 Big 10 championships, with Tom Crean as his coach.
Go get a PG DeVries and Carr!
Like you said if you want an elite point guard you better be prepared to spend 3 million at least.
why does “nba minds” have to do w Carr? He was a talent evaluator- that should translate- he isn’t running the offense or defense. He is here to hopefully use his nba agent connections and help identify talent and the worth of said talent- pretty much string the value on guys and identifying fits for this staff.@arioznahoosier4554 which "so called NBA genius minds" that Mike Woodson hired are you referring to? Ryan Carr has nothing to do with guys like Armand Hill or whoever else you are insinuating. Being negative and pessimistic about IUBB is perfectly understandable but I don't know what the hire of Ryan Carr has to be negative about. Very few programs have a person that was as high up in a successful NBA front office as Ryan Carr was with the Pacers...he's not just some guy they plucked from a video analyst role.
Wittman
Hill
Both were suppose to have NBA minds. I am not saying carr will not help its just hard to get really excited we grasp at straws every offseason yet it never seems to work out.
@arioznahoosier4554 I don’t think any of us thought of Woodson’s NBA friends as geniuses. From people who have worked with Ryan and known him well, most everyone seems pretty positive and impressed. I don’t believe anyone thinks he alone will turn things around. Just a piece of the puzzle,
@hoosiers94 Again with the juvenile name calling. Woodson didn’t pay attention to the people he had around him to help. I’m pretty sure DeVries will. Charisma? Like Hurley? Matt Painter? Coach K? I don’t think charisma has much to do with being a good basketball coach. In fact, I can’t think of too many who actually have much.
@arioznahoosier4554 DeVries hasn’t given any indication that he is egotistical or narcissistic. My guess he will be grateful for the help.
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