https://twitter.com/JeffRabjohns/status/2033603513297584193?s=20
Take out $10M for all the buyouts (that's high) and we're still in the top 5 on that list. We're buying out Woody @ $1M/year, so I'd argue we're still first on that list even with the buyouts. it's been almost 30 years since I took fund accounting, so maybe they do have to recognize the entire buyout as an expenditure in that year.
Regardless, the results don't align with the investment.
Oh, I agree our return on spend still stinks. Really stinks. I'm just noting that we're not spending like ~$10-12M more per year than big programs such as UK etc.
As an FYI, we ended up negotiating with Woody and instead of the ~$8.4M buyout paid $1M per year, IU paid him a lump $6.5M five days after he left.
I really do not care how much more kentucky is spending their results over the last 25 are something us IU fans can only dream of. The fact of the matter is our results are god awful. Two tournaments in ten years is just pathetic for a so called blue blood.
two tournaments in 10 years is pathetic for ANY high major school that calls itself a basketball program
the last 10 yrs for teams in the B1G...... (covid yr was a blank)
Purdue 9-9
Michigan St 9-9
Michigan 7-9
Wisconsin 7-9
Ucla 7-9
Illinois 6-9
Maryland 5-9
Ohio St 5-9
Oregon 5-9
Iowa 5-9
USC 4-9
Northwestern 3-9
Rutgers 2-9
Nebraska 2-9
Minnesota 2-9
Indiana 2-9
Washington 1-9
Penn St 1-9
https://twitter.com/JeffRabjohns/status/2033603513297584193?s=20
Take out $10M for all the buyouts (that's high) and we're still in the top 5 on that list. We're buying out Woody @ $1M/year, so I'd argue we're still first on that list even with the buyouts. it's been almost 30 years since I took fund accounting, so maybe they do have to recognize the entire buyout as an expenditure in that year.
Regardless, the results don't align with the investment.
Oh, I agree our return on spend still stinks. Really stinks. I'm just noting that we're not spending like ~$10-12M more per year than big programs such as UK etc.
As an FYI, we ended up negotiating with Woody and instead of the ~$8.4M buyout paid $1M per year, IU paid him a lump $6.5M five days after he left.
I really do not care how much more kentucky is spending their results over the last 25 are something us IU fans can only dream of. The fact of the matter is our results are god awful. Two tournaments in ten years is just pathetic for a so called blue blood.
two tournaments in 10 years is pathetic for ANY high major school that calls itself a basketball program
the last 10 yrs for teams in the B1G...... (covid yr was a blank)
Purdue 9-9
Michigan St 9-9
Michigan 7-9
Wisconsin 7-9
Ucla 7-9
Illinois 6-9
Maryland 5-9
Ohio St 5-9
Oregon 5-9
Iowa 5-9
USC 4-9
Northwestern 3-9
Rutgers 2-9
Nebraska 2-9
Minnesota 2-9
Indiana 2-9
Washington 1-9
Penn St 1-9
....and just to drive the nail in a bit further
https://twitter.com/JeffRabjohns/status/2033603513297584193?s=20
Take out $10M for all the buyouts (that's high) and we're still in the top 5 on that list. We're buying out Woody @ $1M/year, so I'd argue we're still first on that list even with the buyouts. it's been almost 30 years since I took fund accounting, so maybe they do have to recognize the entire buyout as an expenditure in that year.
Regardless, the results don't align with the investment.
Oh, I agree our return on spend still stinks. Really stinks. I'm just noting that we're not spending like ~$10-12M more per year than big programs such as UK etc.
As an FYI, we ended up negotiating with Woody and instead of the ~$8.4M buyout paid $1M per year, IU paid him a lump $6.5M five days after he left.
I really do not care how much more kentucky is spending their results over the last 25 are something us IU fans can only dream of. The fact of the matter is our results are god awful. Two tournaments in ten years is just pathetic for a so called blue blood.
two tournaments in 10 years is pathetic for ANY high major school that calls itself a basketball program
the last 10 yrs for teams in the B1G...... (covid yr was a blank)
Purdue 9-9
Michigan St 9-9
Michigan 7-9
Wisconsin 7-9
Ucla 7-9
Illinois 6-9
Maryland 5-9
Ohio St 5-9
Oregon 5-9
Iowa 5-9
USC 4-9
Northwestern 3-9
Rutgers 2-9
Nebraska 2-9
Minnesota 2-9
Indiana 2-9
Washington 1-9
Penn St 1-9
....and just to drive the nail in a bit further
They have been 11 straight years. You honestly almost have to try on purpose to be as bad as we have been given the resources we spend.
https://twitter.com/JeffRabjohns/status/2033603513297584193?s=20
Take out $10M for all the buyouts (that's high) and we're still in the top 5 on that list. We're buying out Woody @ $1M/year, so I'd argue we're still first on that list even with the buyouts. it's been almost 30 years since I took fund accounting, so maybe they do have to recognize the entire buyout as an expenditure in that year.
Regardless, the results don't align with the investment.
Oh, I agree our return on spend still stinks. Really stinks. I'm just noting that we're not spending like ~$10-12M more per year than big programs such as UK etc.
As an FYI, we ended up negotiating with Woody and instead of the ~$8.4M buyout paid $1M per year, IU paid him a lump $6.5M five days after he left.
I really do not care how much more kentucky is spending their results over the last 25 are something us IU fans can only dream of. The fact of the matter is our results are god awful. Two tournaments in ten years is just pathetic for a so called blue blood.
two tournaments in 10 years is pathetic for ANY high major school that calls itself a basketball program
the last 10 yrs for teams in the B1G...... (covid yr was a blank)
Purdue 9-9
Michigan St 9-9
Michigan 7-9
Wisconsin 7-9
Ucla 7-9
Illinois 6-9
Maryland 5-9
Ohio St 5-9
Oregon 5-9
Iowa 5-9
USC 4-9
Northwestern 3-9
Rutgers 2-9
Nebraska 2-9
Minnesota 2-9
Indiana 2-9
Washington 1-9
Penn St 1-9
....and just to drive the nail in a bit further
Did they hang a banner for that or is it a banner for each one?
Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan.
POTFB
https://twitter.com/JeffRabjohns/status/2033603513297584193?s=20
Take out $10M for all the buyouts (that's high) and we're still in the top 5 on that list. We're buying out Woody @ $1M/year, so I'd argue we're still first on that list even with the buyouts. it's been almost 30 years since I took fund accounting, so maybe they do have to recognize the entire buyout as an expenditure in that year.
Regardless, the results don't align with the investment.
Oh, I agree our return on spend still stinks. Really stinks. I'm just noting that we're not spending like ~$10-12M more per year than big programs such as UK etc.
As an FYI, we ended up negotiating with Woody and instead of the ~$8.4M buyout paid $1M per year, IU paid him a lump $6.5M five days after he left.
I really do not care how much more kentucky is spending their results over the last 25 are something us IU fans can only dream of. The fact of the matter is our results are god awful. Two tournaments in ten years is just pathetic for a so called blue blood.
two tournaments in 10 years is pathetic for ANY high major school that calls itself a basketball program
the last 10 yrs for teams in the B1G...... (covid yr was a blank)
Purdue 9-9
Michigan St 9-9
Michigan 7-9
Wisconsin 7-9
Ucla 7-9
Illinois 6-9
Maryland 5-9
Ohio St 5-9
Oregon 5-9
Iowa 5-9
USC 4-9
Northwestern 3-9
Rutgers 2-9
Nebraska 2-9
Minnesota 2-9
Indiana 2-9
Washington 1-9
Penn St 1-9
....and just to drive the nail in a bit further
Did they hang a banner for that or is it a banner for each one?
I think they did
right next to their women's golf title
@tammany Tucker didn't score as much as he did at his previous stops, but he was a pretty darn good, and effective, all around player for us this year. And the drop off when he went to the bench was as big, if not bigger, than when Lamar went to the bench.
@iunorth not sure it was in line with the money. We did fall off without him, he’s not bad, but that’s also a depth issue.
https://twitter.com/JeffRabjohns/status/2033603513297584193?s=20
Take out $10M for all the buyouts (that's high) and we're still in the top 5 on that list. We're buying out Woody @ $1M/year, so I'd argue we're still first on that list even with the buyouts. it's been almost 30 years since I took fund accounting, so maybe they do have to recognize the entire buyout as an expenditure in that year.
Regardless, the results don't align with the investment.
Oh, I agree our return on spend still stinks. Really stinks. I'm just noting that we're not spending like ~$10-12M more per year than big programs such as UK etc.
As an FYI, we ended up negotiating with Woody and instead of the ~$8.4M buyout paid $1M per year, IU paid him a lump $6.5M five days after he left.
I really do not care how much more kentucky is spending their results over the last 25 are something us IU fans can only dream of. The fact of the matter is our results are god awful. Two tournaments in ten years is just pathetic for a so called blue blood.
two tournaments in 10 years is pathetic for ANY high major school that calls itself a basketball program
the last 10 yrs for teams in the B1G...... (covid yr was a blank)
Purdue 9-9
Michigan St 9-9
Michigan 7-9
Wisconsin 7-9
Ucla 7-9
Illinois 6-9
Maryland 5-9
Ohio St 5-9
Oregon 5-9
Iowa 5-9
USC 4-9
Northwestern 3-9
Rutgers 2-9
Nebraska 2-9
Minnesota 2-9
Indiana 2-9
Washington 1-9
Penn St 1-9
wow that's depressing to see.
... then to find under the radar support rotation players, that they can "get cheap".Im watching UMBC against Howard. Seeing guards with quickness and handle, guys running the court and catching lobs for dunks. Plenty of tough finishing around the rim....
I see a couple guys each side I wish we had this year as our depth guys, to play defense, up our speed, up our defense, and put Enright on the bench... ☹ Sure plenty of misses. But I see some athletes and compare to what we had. 🙁 Pair a guy or two with Wilkerson and Tucker.
(Just dont tell Coach DeVries or that is who he will raid for next years roster.)
I don't watch the game with a coach's eye but sure don't want a repeat of bringing in players who looked great at the mid-major level and just can't hang with P4 competition. If we're spending all this money let's get a few legit power conference players or maybe foreigners playing at that level. The other comment somewhere about Fisch saying we need a really elite point guard feels right to me.
@openwheel I would say Wilkerson and DeVries were both decent values. We seem to know that Bailey got 1million, he wasn't a good value, obviously. I haven't really seen, or heard, what everyone else was paid. Enright might have been a decent value if he wasn't paid much, same with Alexis.
The actual numbers specific players are getting is largely unknown, and pretty important when evaluating all these decisions. We know guys like Landeborg, Mara, Johnson, Cadeau... were all getting a lot of money... but what about Gayle, McKenny, Cason, etc... If all these elite teams are paying their support rotation players all 500K plus... then its hard to make the math workout, for IU to be "Sweet 16 competitive", with much less than 15 million or so. DeVries and Carr's challenge... as I see it... identify 4-5 elite level players, that cover the main on the court types of players needed, and land them... but then to find under the radar support rotation players, that they can "get cheap".
The more I look at potential portal guys, and think about roster construction... the less competitive I think "10 Million" was against who we want to be our peers. Its hard to come up with numbers much less than 12-13 million plus for teams like Purdue, Illinois, MSU, UCLA, Michigan. I'd guess IU was probably a little more than teams like Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin even... Washington and USC, I suspect were up near IU in NIL spend.
There's no question we didn't get a great ROI on our reported 10 million dollar roster. But when I start actually trying to guess and put numbers on competing rosters, its hard to not question some of these reported "top 10 in the country", or "top 2 in the conference", reports. Braden Smith, TKR, Cluff... they were all getting 7 figures, Smith multiple 7 figures, if not TKR too. Loyer, Cox, Harris, Jacobsen, they weren't getting anything less than 500K, probably more. It quickly adds up to a budget higher than 10 million. Michigan blew past that. Illinois blew past that, I'm sure. UCLA blew past that.
I know of NAIA guys getting 6 figure NIL deals. I know of D3 guys getting similar deals. So the baseline for pretty much any scholarship spot in the B10, is 6 figures... in my mind. With most all rotation guys getting multiple 6 figures, for any contending level p4 team. When you start using that info, it makes 10 million much less "impressive".
All this talk about ROI is dumb. First, there's no return. Those who donate for NIL aren't getting their money back if we win. Second, it's not an investment. It's a donation. No one gives a suit to goodwill and then demands that the homeless dude who bought it wear it into his next 12 intervdon't. And no one pillories the guy if he doesn't get a job.
In fact, most of us don't donate at all. I did, a little, but most dont.
The Athletic Department, and the NIL collectives, for that matter, are not businesses.
https://twitter.com/JeffRabjohns/status/2033603513297584193?s=20
Take out $10M for all the buyouts (that's high) and we're still in the top 5 on that list. We're buying out Woody @ $1M/year, so I'd argue we're still first on that list even with the buyouts. it's been almost 30 years since I took fund accounting, so maybe they do have to recognize the entire buyout as an expenditure in that year.
Regardless, the results don't align with the investment.
Oh, I agree our return on spend still stinks. Really stinks. I'm just noting that we're not spending like ~$10-12M more per year than big programs such as UK etc.
As an FYI, we ended up negotiating with Woody and instead of the ~$8.4M buyout paid $1M per year, IU paid him a lump $6.5M five days after he left.
I really do not care how much more kentucky is spending their results over the last 25 are something us IU fans can only dream of. The fact of the matter is our results are god awful. Two tournaments in ten years is just pathetic for a so called blue blood.
two tournaments in 10 years is pathetic for ANY high major school that calls itself a basketball program
the last 10 yrs for teams in the B1G...... (covid yr was a blank)
Purdue 9-9
Michigan St 9-9
Michigan 7-9
Wisconsin 7-9
Ucla 7-9
Illinois 6-9
Maryland 5-9
Ohio St 5-9
Oregon 5-9
Iowa 5-9
USC 4-9
Northwestern 3-9
Rutgers 2-9
Nebraska 2-9
Minnesota 2-9
Indiana 2-9
Washington 1-9
Penn St 1-9
....and just to drive the nail in a bit further
their floor is above our ceiling as a program.
I thing much of the extremely negative attitudes I see on here come from people who for some reason still look at IUBB as a blue blood. That is just not the case. IUBB has turned into Penn St. basketball and it seems no amount of money thrown at it can get it back out of that area.https://twitter.com/JeffRabjohns/status/2033603513297584193?s=20
Take out $10M for all the buyouts (that's high) and we're still in the top 5 on that list. We're buying out Woody @ $1M/year, so I'd argue we're still first on that list even with the buyouts. it's been almost 30 years since I took fund accounting, so maybe they do have to recognize the entire buyout as an expenditure in that year.
Regardless, the results don't align with the investment.
Oh, I agree our return on spend still stinks. Really stinks. I'm just noting that we're not spending like ~$10-12M more per year than big programs such as UK etc.
As an FYI, we ended up negotiating with Woody and instead of the ~$8.4M buyout paid $1M per year, IU paid him a lump $6.5M five days after he left.
I really do not care how much more kentucky is spending their results over the last 25 are something us IU fans can only dream of. The fact of the matter is our results are god awful. Two tournaments in ten years is just pathetic for a so called blue blood.
IUBB has not won a natty in almost 40 years, haven’t been to a FF since 2002. In the mean time teams like frigging UCONN have won enough to overtake IU. If they ever get it back to the point they can consistently get to the tourney they will have accomplished something. May happen with this guy but yet to be determined.
It however, is not for lack of trying. As mentioned it is the same people that brought Cig here that brought this guy. Was Cig just luck? Who knows but the magic did not work out with the BB program.
My expectations have been seriously dampened by the last 20 years of futility. I cannot let the bad basketball I see negatively impact my mind, so I have just become a casual fan. One of those people they lost. I gave up my season BB tickets when I bought a winter place in the south a few years ago. I do not miss them.
I thing much of the extremely negative attitudes I see on here come from people who for some reason still look at IUBB as a blue blood. That is just not the case. IUBB has turned into Penn St. basketball and it seems no amount of money thrown at it can get it back out of that area.https://twitter.com/JeffRabjohns/status/2033603513297584193?s=20
Take out $10M for all the buyouts (that's high) and we're still in the top 5 on that list. We're buying out Woody @ $1M/year, so I'd argue we're still first on that list even with the buyouts. it's been almost 30 years since I took fund accounting, so maybe they do have to recognize the entire buyout as an expenditure in that year.
Regardless, the results don't align with the investment.
Oh, I agree our return on spend still stinks. Really stinks. I'm just noting that we're not spending like ~$10-12M more per year than big programs such as UK etc.
As an FYI, we ended up negotiating with Woody and instead of the ~$8.4M buyout paid $1M per year, IU paid him a lump $6.5M five days after he left.
I really do not care how much more kentucky is spending their results over the last 25 are something us IU fans can only dream of. The fact of the matter is our results are god awful. Two tournaments in ten years is just pathetic for a so called blue blood.
IUBB has not won a natty in almost 40 years, haven’t been to a FF since 2002. In the mean time teams like frigging UCONN have won enough to overtake IU. If they ever get it back to the point they can consistently get to the tourney they will have accomplished something. May happen with this guy but yet to be determined.
It however, is not for lack of trying. As mentioned it is the same people that brought Cig here that brought this guy. Was Cig just luck? Who knows but the magic did not work out with the BB program.
My expectations have been seriously dampened by the last 20 years of futility. I cannot let the bad basketball I see negatively impact my mind, so I have just become a casual fan. One of those people they lost. I gave up my season BB tickets when I bought a winter place in the south a few years ago. I do not miss them.
I thing much of the extremely negative attitudes I see on here come from people who for some reason still look at IUBB as a blue blood.
To me the negative attitude is because we keep paying coaches as if we ARE a blue blood. We are also spending money on the program like we are one. My expectations would be much lower if we did not keep paying top four big ten salaries and having high NIL. You are supposed to get what you pay for so if we really are not a blue blood do not keep paying crazy salaries pretending like we are one. But I certainly do not lose any sleep over this program I am much more excited about football these days. But its not football season so bbal is what there is to talk about now.
I am more interested in seeing the basketball program rebound. I love football, and hope we remain one of the big dogs. But we have a a Big Ten league championship, and a national title!!! So I'm good, I can live off that for years. 
Now basketball suckage has leaped to the forefront, in my mind. Although if I pick just one or the other I'll go with football. But Dolson said multiple times he believes we can be good in both.
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