@arioznahoosier4554 If the consensus view is correct, he wanted to fire Woodson after missing his first NCAA tourney, after making his first two. I don't think this 4 years narrative is based on anything real. It'll be more about momentum, where the program is headed, etc... The main reason Dolson wanted to move on Woodson, after only missing his first NCAA, was he likely knew where the program was headed. Another floundering, bubble like season or two, and I would think he'll have similar thoughts on CDD, and will make the move. No one above him protecting CDD, like there was Woodson.
@mushroomgod Yeah, keeping up with you guys nicknames is a task. Dullson should have been more obvious though, to be fair. Not sure what logic remotely applies to him deserving such a nickname though.
We'll try to go slower.
@arioznahoosier4554 I think he'll have to do a little bit more than "make the NCAA" I think it will have to be a decent seed and no question of being on the bubble. Honeymoon is over.
I can only go off what I have seen in the past which is it does not take much to keep your job at IU for four years. Maybe that will change but until i see it I can only go off of history. Even if it was just quinn they did everything in their power to get woodson that fifth season he was just such a bad coach it did not matter.
@arioznahoosier4554 If the consensus view is correct, he wanted to fire Woodson after missing his first NCAA tourney, after making his first two. I don't think this 4 years narrative is based on anything real. It'll be more about momentum, where the program is headed, etc... The main reason Dolson wanted to move on Woodson, after only missing his first NCAA, was he likely knew where the program was headed. Another floundering, bubble like season or two, and I would think he'll have similar thoughts on CDD, and will make the move. No one above him protecting CDD, like there was Woodson.
So if we use that logic and criteria ,, we are here again after only 1 year so why not move on it
History is what's real. Name one non-cheating IU coach who's been fired when he should have been. Just one.I don't think this 4 years narrative is based on anything real.
Btw, the Woody argument means nothing. Maybe SD tried to ax his ass after three seasons, but it didn't happen.
History is what's real. Name one non-cheating IU coach who's been fired when he should have been. Just one.I don't think this 4 years narrative is based on anything real.
Btw, the Woody argument means nothing. Maybe SD tried to ax his ass after three seasons, but it didn't happen.
I base the four year narrative myself on what I have seen in the past so I am not sure why some others think I am crazy for saying that. History is all we have to go with and history says you get four years. NO way archie should of had four years either but he got four years.
Jimmy Johnson once said, "The enemy of great is good." I'd add to that and say the enemy of good is mediocre. DD will probably do just enough to keep his job for at least four years... but nothing significant.History is what's real. Name one non-cheating IU coach who's been fired when he should have been. Just one.I don't think this 4 years narrative is based on anything real.
Btw, the Woody argument means nothing. Maybe SD tried to ax his ass after three seasons, but it didn't happen.
I base the four year narrative myself on what I have seen in the past so I am not sure why some others think I am crazy for saying that. History is all we have to go with and history says you get four years. NO way archie should of had four years either but he got four years.
Jimmy Johnson once said, "The enemy of great is good." I'd add to that and say the enemy of good is mediocre. DD will probably do just enough to keep his job for at least four years... but nothing significant.History is what's real. Name one non-cheating IU coach who's been fired when he should have been. Just one.I don't think this 4 years narrative is based on anything real.
Btw, the Woody argument means nothing. Maybe SD tried to ax his ass after three seasons, but it didn't happen.
I base the four year narrative myself on what I have seen in the past so I am not sure why some others think I am crazy for saying that. History is all we have to go with and history says you get four years. NO way archie should of had four years either but he got four years.
I agree I think like 21-12 and a 10 seed next year or the year after. He probably has a 11-9 big ten record. That is kind of what I have been saying
@ams66 I wasn't reading anything negative into your comment. I didn't know much about Devries or Coach Cig when they got to IU.
While I regarded God as a tyrant I thought my sin a trifle; But when I knew Him to be my Father, then I mourned that I could ever have kicked against Him. When I thought God was hard, I found it easy to sin; but when I found God so kind, so good, so overflowing with compassion, I smote upon my breast to think that I could ever have rebelled against One who loved me so, and sought my good.” C. H. Spurgeon
History is what's real. Name one non-cheating IU coach who's been fired when he should have been. Just one.I don't think this 4 years narrative is based on anything real.
Btw, the Woody argument means nothing. Maybe SD tried to ax his ass after three seasons, but it didn't happen.
Dolson didn’t try or even want to do that.
@arioznahoosier4554 I don't agree with that. He might get a 3rd year if he makes NCAA next year. But he's going to have to show that the program is FOR SURE headed to competing for B10 titles, within his first 3 years, or I think he'll get fired.
I'd like to think some of the conversation regarding DD's future won't solely be his success (or lack of it)
part of it will be who is available and/or will come?
we've royally screwed that part up 3x in a row now
you'd like to think we won't do it again
History is what's real. Name one non-cheating IU coach who's been fired when he should have been. Just one.I don't think this 4 years narrative is based on anything real.
Btw, the Woody argument means nothing. Maybe SD tried to ax his ass after three seasons, but it didn't happen.
it's possible I have to believe that. ND always gave a coach 5 years no matter what. Until Tyrone Willingham... he got 3.
I still don't understand the thinking that Archie = Woodson = Devries in terms of how many years they will get. Archie was in the old era. Woodson had the Chairman of the Board of Trustees and apparently some other wealthy benefactors. All the while fans are getting more and more impatient. Devriess is not going to get fours years of seasons like this one.
@arioznahoosier4554 True. There are definitely similarities. But there are also distinct differences. DeVries took over two separate programs, Drake and WVU, and immediately turned programs that had been bottom of the conference, to being competitive. Archie took over an already solid Dayton program, and it took him a couple years to improve them. They had similar first seasons, at IU, but Archie inherited quite a lot more than CDD did. Different times, Archie didn't have Portal and NIL to work with. But he did have guys like Juwan Morgan, Rob Johnson, Devonte Green, etc... to work with that were already at IU.
Dolson won't wait out 4 "Archie like" years, if they are destined to be similar... I would bet a lot of money on that.
Yeah if he misses the tourney the first three years he likely gets fired. But if he goes say 22-12 and gets in as like a 10 seed he will certainly get four years that will be considered a big success. The bar is so darn low just make the tourney at IU and you will be praised.
I’d bet good money if he misses next year he’s fired.
Limping in as a double digit seed isn’t acceptable either. Whenever DeVries is let go, and he will be let go, I have zero trust in Dolson and his clown posse to make a good hire.