Then there are a few I’m worried about.
Effort seems not be an issue. What a pleasant surprise. After the last four seasons of hot garbage coaching, the players actually care every second I have seen them play. That is Indiana bball.
TUcker reminds me so much of Paul pierce. Just gonna work you with fundamentals and that shot is the truth. God he is good.
I gave Coach shit for comparing Lamar to Korver, but my man is taking Jordy Deep threes with confidence. Hit 45%+ from deep and make me eat my words about that kinda shooting.
Bailey has looked great against scrubs but I don’t think he is very athletic, and those moves aren’t gonna work against athletic bigs. I see him getting man handled in the big ten. Hope I’m wrong.
Gonna need Alexis to stay healthy, he is the only guy that can maybe stop an opposing Big man. Again, Bailey is a twig with not much bounce. But Alexis looks much better than expected.
Been hearing Dorn can play, need another baller on the squad so fingers crossed.
Enright is the new Leal. Get him out of here. 😼
I agree with every point you just made
Concerns:
Bailey... will get pushed around and isn't strong nor athletic enough to compete down low.. his bringing the ball down court will also cease against good teams. Not sold on this cat
to me we looked slow ... not slow compared to a and m but slow in relation to big boy basketball speed. We will get stifled at times. The athleticism is lower than last years team but as you mentioned the effort and attitude are there and that they can control.
Enright is worse than Leal. So is his hair. Hope not to have to see him play much once everyone gets healthy. He's bad
I'll give you Enright is scrappy but he's a limited minutes guy. Not a lot of talent.
Bailey ... don't see him hitting getting a lot of those shots you talk about ... need an inside presence for those to materialize or a point guard who can consistently break down as defense and penetrate. I'm skeptical of those being present on our roster. Alexis isn't a post up player. His production is vital and I'm not convinced he can bring it every night and against the michigans etc. if he could he'd still be in Gainesville.
The product is conceptually better , the scheme , the attitude. I did see a few possessions where we didn't play very good D as if they lost focus. Can't have that.
@mushroomgod ya that has .5 written all over it for us. Sag off him and he will be easy to be a non factor if he does that. Connerway needs to clean it up for sure.
Dorn sure gonna help on the boards and defending post penetration with his length and agility. Just as Harris available is good depth for insurance.
I like Harris' potential, and he's a competitor. Also, I really liked what little I saw of Ristic. He adds some savvy/intelligence to the mix. I hope those guys are able to play soon. Dorn's going to be like Miles....just a capable guy, although with different strengths. He won't be a difference maker.
What's going on with Acimovic? Is he sick? Hurt? If he's well, and can't contribute to this team.....
@hoosiers94 correct. We have 20-4 runs written all over this team. Cannot have any lapse in focus, we don’t have the talent to not play focused 100% of the time. Especially on D.
@mushroomgod ya that has .5 written all over it for us. Sag off him and he will be easy to be a non factor if he does that. Connerway needs to clean it up for sure.
Now you're talking....I'm getting you pissed. So why hasn't CDD cleaned it (Conerway) up before now? Is he OK with it? That's my point, and why I'm very skeptical of CDD.
can you explain "discipline within your offense"?
iu was 1.463 ppp last night, 26/34 (77%) on 2p, 70.6% eFG and took just 2 "mid range" shots (1/2) to go along with a 23/11 assist to turnover ratio.
they've now missed one (1) FT in the last two games after going 16-16 last night.
i felt like iu came out too juiced up but that's to be expected in game one.
and, to conerway specifically, he missed one (1) shot (a 3) all game and finished with 14 points, 5 assists (3 TO's), 2 steals. the game was basically over in by halftime and while i did think he started playing much more loose with the ball, i can hardly be that critical when with the game score where it was.
by any metric, including the eye test, iu did exactly what a high major team should do to a sub 300 team.
i think this is a throw away game but you need to curb stomp these teams for the metrics and iu did.
so, while i'm not going to crown them by any means, i'm excited to be at the game sunday and see them against marquette...essentially, it could have been a lot worse considering the first games of the guys that preceded devries.
i think iu has four legit high major talents in devries, conerway, wilkerson and alexis. i think the health of those guys is what will determine the ceiling and floor this season.
@mushroomgod Couple come backs... Bailey was 7-9 from the field, and 7-7 from the free throw line. I'm not sure he "struggled from the field" all that much. But some of the attempts he got fouled on, and then one of the misses that he got blocked, the takes did look a little weak. But given the stats he actually recorded, I wouldn't say its definitive yet that he'll struggle to finish, all the time, in the B10. And then we have no idea what we actually paid for Bailey. And the going rate for any all conference level tall person, let alone one of the better tall people from a fairly high level conference like the A10... lets just say most bigs were overpriced. So did we overpay? Or were bigs just overvalued in general. Bailey was gonna get a bag from a high major, without question.
Agree to an extent with Conerway. I thought the entire team loosened up more than I would have liked to see after the game was no longer in any doubt. There were moments though, that it was pretty obvious why Conerway was Sun Belt POY. I don't like that it appeared he needed outside motivation to dial himself in. But when he did...he was dominant. There was a sequence at the end of the first half, where it appeared he and Pissis were jawing with each other. Pissis is a pretty darn good guard, and Conerway made him look really, really bad for the last couple minutes of the half. I suspect when we play legit teams on our scheduled, we'll see a more dialed in Tayton. Like he was for most of the Baylor game.
Enright has proven he's quite a lot higher level player than a walk on...both at Drake and at DePaul. I'll agree with Cav, and you, that for a B10 contending team, he isn't a starting guard. But he's a solid player. He provided energy. He moves the ball well. There's nothing wrong with having guys like him, Leal, Cupps, etc... on scholarship at IU. The problem comes when they have to start, and be relied upon to play 20+ minutes per game. No need to slam them though for that... When Dorn and Harris, and maybe even Drake or Ristic get healthy, he'll be a much needed energy/spark guy off the bench, I'm sure.
Lastly, while our offense got very loose, at times. It was always spread, the passing was incredible, and we have multiple guys that inside 25-28 feet, if they're open, its literally never a bad shot. Wilkerson let a couple fly from too deep. But we took 34 two's, and 24 threes. Many of the two's were dunks or layups because of how well spaced we were, and how effective we were shooting from the outside. It wasn't a Horse contest, it was beautiful, effective offense, for the most part. Weird you didn't enjoy it. Maybe the double post, single side ISO bullshit we've seen for the last 4 years is more your speed. If so, yeah, this team probably won't be your cup of tea.
can you explain "discipline within your offense"?
iu was 1.463 ppp last night, 26/34 (77%) on 2p, 70.6% eFG and took just 2 "mid range" shots (1/2) to go along with a 23/11 assist to turnover ratio.
they've now missed one (1) FT in the last two games after going 16-16 last night.
i felt like iu came out too juiced up but that's to be expected in game one.
and, to conerway specifically, he missed one (1) shot (a 3) all game and finished with 14 points, 5 assists (3 TO's), 2 steals shooting. the game was basically over in by halftime and while i did think he started playing much more loose with the ball, i can hardly be that critical when with the game score where it was.
by any metric, including the eye test, iu did exactly what a high major team should do to a sub 300 team.
i think this is a throw away game but you need to curb stomp these teams for the metrics and iu did.
so, while i'm not going to crown them by any means, i'm excited to be at the game sunday and see them against marquette...essentially, it could have been a lot worse considering the first games of the guys that preceded devries.
i think iu has four legit high major talents in devries, conerway, wilkerson and alexis. i think the health of those guys is what will determine the ceiling and floor this season.
Do you see Conerway as more than a middle-of-the-road P5 PG?
can you explain "discipline within your offense"?
iu was 1.463 ppp last night, 26/34 (77%) on 2p, 70.6% eFG and took just 2 "mid range" shots (1/2) to go along with a 23/11 assist to turnover ratio.
they've now missed one (1) FT in the last two games after going 16-16 last night.
i felt like iu came out too juiced up but that's to be expected in game one.
and, to conerway specifically, he missed one (1) shot (a 3) all game and finished with 14 points, 5 assists (3 TO's), 2 steals shooting. the game was basically over in by halftime and while i did think he started playing much more loose with the ball, i can hardly be that critical when with the game score where it was.
by any metric, including the eye test, iu did exactly what a high major team should do to a sub 300 team.
i think this is a throw away game but you need to curb stomp these teams for the metrics and iu did.
so, while i'm not going to crown them by any means, i'm excited to be at the game sunday and see them against marquette...essentially, it could have been a lot worse considering the first games of the guys that preceded devries.
i think iu has four legit high major talents in devries, conerway, wilkerson and alexis. i think the health of those guys is what will determine the ceiling and floor this season.
Do you see Conerway as more than a middle-of-the-road P5 PG?
yes?
i think he's going to be one of the better defensive pg's in the league this year.
his issue is going to be making shots but he was much better at making catch and shoot 3s than anything on the move...if he can get his shots in catch and shoot, i think he can distribute well enough to be better than a middling p5 pg, especially given his defense.
need to see more on offense before i make a total determination but i guess i'm higher on him than you.
@mushroomgod Couple come backs... Bailey was 7-9 from the field, and 7-7 from the free throw line. I'm not sure he "struggled from the field" all that much. But some of the attempts he got fouled on, and then one of the misses that he got blocked, the takes did look a little weak. But given the stats he actually recorded, I wouldn't say its definitive yet that he'll struggle to finish, all the time, in the B10. And then we have no idea what we actually paid for Bailey. And the going rate for any all conference level tall person, let alone one of the better tall people from a fairly high level conference like the A10... lets just say most bigs were overpriced. So did we overpay? Or were bigs just overvalued in general. Bailey was gonna get a bag from a high major, without question.
Agree to an extent with Conerway. I thought the entire team loosened up more than I would have liked to see after the game was no longer in any doubt. There were moments though, that it was pretty obvious why Conerway was Sun Belt POY. I don't like that it appeared he needed outside motivation to dial himself in. But when he did...he was dominant. There was a sequence at the end of the first half, where it appeared he and Pissis were jawing with each other. Pissis is a pretty darn good guard, and Conerway made him look really, really bad for the last couple minutes of the half. I suspect when we play legit teams on our scheduled, we'll see a more dialed in Tayton. Like he was for most of the Baylor game.
Enright has proven he's quite a lot higher level player than a walk on...both at Drake and at DePaul. I'll agree with Cav, and you, that for a B10 contending team, he isn't a starting guard. But he's a solid player. He provided energy. He moves the ball well. There's nothing wrong with having guys like him, Leal, Cupps, etc... on scholarship at IU. The problem comes when they have to start, and be relied upon to play 20+ minutes per game. No need to slam them though for that... When Dorn and Harris, and maybe even Drake or Ristic get healthy, he'll be a much needed energy/spark guy off the bench, I'm sure.
Lastly, while our offense got very loose, at times. It was always spread, the passing was incredible, and we have multiple guys that inside 25-28 feet, if they're open, its literally never a bad shot. Wilkerson let a couple fly from too deep. But we took 34 two's, and 24 threes. Many of the two's were dunks or layups because of how well spaced we were, and how effective we were shooting from the outside. It wasn't a Horse contest, it was beautiful, effective offense, for the most part. Weird you didn't enjoy it. Maybe the double post, single side ISO bullshit we've seen for the last 4 years is more your speed. If so, yeah, this team probably won't be your cup of tea.
Enright...I did say "good" walk-on. Do you think he's a better player than the McRoberts kid we had back in the day? I don't. In any event it goes to the ceiling the team has. Its not personal.
The passing was good. The unselfishness was good. But I don't want any player to have an absolute green light. 2-3 bad shots in a game are the difference between a good team and a championship team. Back in the day when the 3 pointer was new I saw Pitino's team school IU in Louisville....they were a machine getting their shots. I knew he would win a championship at UK. Are you getting those vibes with CDD, or are you getting the 'nice-guy, players like him, fans like him, it will be fun to watch' vibes? A reporter once asked Knight about whether he wanted Alford being confident about shooting a particular shot. Knight said he didn't give a damn whether Alford was confident, HE wanted to be confident.
Bailey? We'll see. Did you see him get stripped by the HS team as he charged down the lane? Bad sign. Same with a couple of those passes by Conerway. Strive for excellence. Don't put up with bullshit.
can you explain "discipline within your offense"?
iu was 1.463 ppp last night, 26/34 (77%) on 2p, 70.6% eFG and took just 2 "mid range" shots (1/2) to go along with a 23/11 assist to turnover ratio.
they've now missed one (1) FT in the last two games after going 16-16 last night.
i felt like iu came out too juiced up but that's to be expected in game one.
and, to conerway specifically, he missed one (1) shot (a 3) all game and finished with 14 points, 5 assists (3 TO's), 2 steals shooting. the game was basically over in by halftime and while i did think he started playing much more loose with the ball, i can hardly be that critical when with the game score where it was.
by any metric, including the eye test, iu did exactly what a high major team should do to a sub 300 team.
i think this is a throw away game but you need to curb stomp these teams for the metrics and iu did.
so, while i'm not going to crown them by any means, i'm excited to be at the game sunday and see them against marquette...essentially, it could have been a lot worse considering the first games of the guys that preceded devries.
i think iu has four legit high major talents in devries, conerway, wilkerson and alexis. i think the health of those guys is what will determine the ceiling and floor this season.
Do you see Conerway as more than a middle-of-the-road P5 PG?
yes?
i think he's going to be one of the better defensive pg's in the league this year.
his issue is going to be making shots but he was much better at making catch and shoot 3s than anything on the move...if he can get his shots in catch and shoot, i think he can distribute well enough to be better than a middling p5 pg, especially given his defense.
need to see more on offense before i make a total determination but i guess i'm higher on him than you.
Did he play great D last night? Not a rhetorical question....I didn't notice it if he did. I know he had that reputation, but he didn't appear to be as quick with his feet or overall as I expected. And I didn't particularly notice him using his body as a defender as Buckner did back in the day. The announcers said he sometimes gambles on D. Did his gambling result in an inflated # of steals at the Sun Belt level?
We'll see against Marquette.
I like Conerway, he's the opposite of a turnover machine. We've needed a guy like that. He can penetrate even though he doesn't have elite quickness. And those saying Bailey needs a good point guard if he's to be able to beat inside presence, we'll see. I think Conerway can do that. Others. Bailey's going to adjust to the big, he'll be consistent. I think if anything he kicks it out too much so far, but if that's what coach wants, ok.
And yeah, this is a good coach. His teaching and motivational methods won't be Coach Knight, they'll be his own. I don't think at all that he 'allows' sloppy play or play outside of the team concept. I see the opposite. Calling guys over and explaining things, and they appear to respond. My only worry was how many times he said Wilkerson had the green light at all times.. You can't just gun. But Coach Knight said the same thing about Kitchel and Wittman, although of course that was a vastly different style and era. I think Wilkerson will play within the team. Coach has this!
@mushroomgod He was also the center of the defenses attention, and still scored 18ppg. He's going to get much more open looks next to Wilkerson, DeVries, Dorn, etc... He doesn't have to take many, but he needs to make a reasonable % of the ones he takes, and I think all indications are he'll be able to do that.
He's everything we were told Tim Priller would be; maybe not as good a dancer. My only question: how did he not go buy some shoulders with his NIL?
We'll see against Marquette.
I like Conerway, he's the opposite of a turnover machine. We've needed a guy like that. He can penetrate even though he doesn't have elite quickness. And those saying Bailey needs a good point guard if he's to be able to beat inside presence, we'll see. I think Conerway can do that. Others. Bailey's going to adjust to the big, he'll be consistent. I think if anything he kicks it out too much so far, but if that's what coach wants, ok.
And yeah, this is a good coach. His teaching and motivational methods won't be Coach Knight, they'll be his own. I don't think at all that he 'allows' sloppy play or play outside of the team concept. I see the opposite. Calling guys over and explaining things, and they appear to respond. My only worry was how many times he said Wilkerson had the green light at all times.. You can't just gun. But Coach Knight said about the same thing about Kitchell and Whitman, although of course that was a vastly different style and era. I think Wilkerson will play within the team. Coach has this!
I saw a post from a Marquette fan where he listed Marquette's predicted BE finish on 35 pre-season articles. 20 predicted them to finish 4th (out of 11). No 1st or 2nd picks, none lower than 7th. 4.0 was the actual average of all picks. So....a good test and probably a close game....
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