@bradstevens To answer your original question first... I'd choose Wilson. Hoover was a complete non factor in the pass game in the 2nd half, for whatever reason. At least with Wilson, you'd potentially have a guy more comfortable executing the QB pull and run portion of the RPO. That alone, would relieve more pressure on the standard run game, than what Hoover did in the 2nd half. And then with that, IU's offense, even without that threat being utilized, has created a lot of very open opportunities for our receivers. I have to think Wilson is capable of finding a few of those openings.
Now... starting a 2nd half, in a hostile environment like Michigan, is different than giving a guy a week of practice with the 1s, and then playing at home. So I don't question sticking with Hoover. It very nearly cost us the game. But its also possible Wilson would have been worse, with more than one pick, less first downs, etc... after being thrown in to that situation.
And maybe time is healing Hoover, and he'll be better throwing the ball against Minny, than he has been the last couple weeks. That's Cigs call, and he's earned trust on it.
Anybody catch the latest IU video that was put out for the Michigan game. Watch the clip and after Hoover's TD, they show Lynch celebrating and slapping him on the back and watch Hoover immediately grab his throwing shoulder. That's a bit concerning that he is more injured than we know based on his reaction in the video. Not sure if I'm IU a would have included that clip in the video.
@bbh42 I've not seen it, but I don't think opposing teams are picking much up off SM promotional videos. Guessing they have lots of eyes analyzing every video feed out there. Plus, I heard more than 1 podcaster last week imply Hoover had a worse injury than appeared and that he had to have gotten a shot to "recover" as quickly as he seemed to. I'd imagine UM already had a very good idea that he might be restricted, just as MN will likely have this week.
What injury would have someone's arm hanging down almost uselessly like it was after the Ohio State tackle, but then look so much improved after the injury tent? When it first happened i thought 'oh oh, collarbone...' but then he kept playing so knew that wasn't it.
Shoulder separation?
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A type 1 shoulder separation is painful, but will heal on its own in a few weeks. That would fit the narrative of him getting better and being healthier after the bye, but still explain the pain.
I've had that injury when I was younger, but I sure as hell wouldn't have been able to throw a football. I was told not to lift anything heavier than 10 or 15lbs for a month, if memory serves.
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I've been assuming a shoulder separation also, but maybe it's nerve related?A type 1 shoulder separation is painful, but will heal on its own in a few weeks. That would fit the narrative of him getting better and being healthier after the bye, but still explain the pain.
I've had that injury when I was younger, but I sure as hell wouldn't have been able to throw a football. I was told not to lift anything heavier than 10 or 15lbs for a month, if memory serves.
I thought it interesting that we'd call two designed runs for a QB with a 'separated shoulder', though also the fact that the runs were to the right, where he'd lead with his left shoulder might be a mitigating factor. But even getting hit on your left should would surely cause some significant jarring to that right shoulder.
I'm not going to be shocked if Wilson starts Saturday, but I'd still put it at less than 50% chance.
I've been assuming a shoulder separation also, but maybe it's nerve related?A type 1 shoulder separation is painful, but will heal on its own in a few weeks. That would fit the narrative of him getting better and being healthier after the bye, but still explain the pain.
I've had that injury when I was younger, but I sure as hell wouldn't have been able to throw a football. I was told not to lift anything heavier than 10 or 15lbs for a month, if memory serves.
I thought it interesting that we'd call two designed runs for a QB with a 'separated shoulder', though also the fact that the runs were to the right, where he'd lead with his left shoulder might be a mitigating factor. But even getting hit on your left should would surely cause some significant jarring to that right shoulder.
I'm not going to be shocked if Wilson starts Saturday, but I'd still put it at less than 50% chance.
I wondered about a rotator cuff injury too, but don't know enough about them to speak to it.
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Oooh! I would think that would be far worse than a separation and unlikely to get better quickly, as Cig is at least implying.I've been assuming a shoulder separation also, but maybe it's nerve related?A type 1 shoulder separation is painful, but will heal on its own in a few weeks. That would fit the narrative of him getting better and being healthier after the bye, but still explain the pain.
I've had that injury when I was younger, but I sure as hell wouldn't have been able to throw a football. I was told not to lift anything heavier than 10 or 15lbs for a month, if memory serves.
I thought it interesting that we'd call two designed runs for a QB with a 'separated shoulder', though also the fact that the runs were to the right, where he'd lead with his left shoulder might be a mitigating factor. But even getting hit on your left should would surely cause some significant jarring to that right shoulder.
I'm not going to be shocked if Wilson starts Saturday, but I'd still put it at less than 50% chance.
I wondered about a rotator cuff injury too, but don't know enough about them to speak to it.
@hooky I would guess any of these versions of shoulder injuries are possibilities. But any of them that include structural damage like rotator cuff, labrum, etc... would have to be VERY low grade tears or strains. Shoulder impingement maybe? High bicep bruise/tear. All possibilities, but I can't see how he'd be able to throw a football if any of them are in any way significant versions of those injuries. Shoulder impingement or high bicep injury would be my very uneducated guess. Both mimic rotator cuff and/or labrum injuries, but still have more range of motion, and less pain. At least that's my experience with them.