I'm sure the players are about to rise up and revolt and break the very system paying them hundreds of thousands of dollars that they weren't earning 5 years ago. You're so full of yourself and smug. And clearly, Ordfan.This is why the current college sports financial model is unsustainable. At some point, football and men’s basketball players are going to tire of picking up the check for everyone else.
This has always been the case though imo - I think it's just the nature of college athletics. Nearly every sport at every college across the country loses and has lost money year after year. Football carries and men's basketball, sometimes, does heavy lifting as well. Women's volleyball and women's basketball programs make money too at good programs, but largely run a deficit as well (I believe).
What’s different is the now acute awareness men’s basketball and football players have regarding the revenue and expense information. Some very bright people on the rapidly shrinking periphery of college sports are well into the ears of players to let them know how much leverage they truly have in all of this. A player’s union, collecting bargaining and the perceived threat of a “work” stoppage are all real possibilities on the horizon, which likely will lead to the stability that college sports needs.
Ordfan, just making stuff up again.
FB and MBB players are happy to be making the tons of money they're making right now and don't care about the rest of it.
LOL. Still not Ordman, but this only shows how little you know about college athletics, both historically and in the current environment. To not realize that there are plenty of people in their ears telling why and how they should care about it is pretty amazing, even for you.
“Rise up and revolt”? LOL. Nothing so dramatic or outlandish, but it’s surprising that someone who claims some basic knowledge of college athletics would not understand that revenue sharing among revenue producing sports is a huge issue, and that there’s been talk for years about players banding together to create leverage. It’s hardly a new sentiment, nor is the knowledge or likely impact of the significant imbalance in both the revenues and expenses generated by various sports.
As for Ordman or Ordfan or whomever you claim me to be, I have no idea what that even means. When I’ve asked you previously, you’ve deflected from providing anything specific. Please share your history and help us all understand where you’re coming from here. Another poster made the same accusation, but his background is colored by my time helping to mod the original Peegs board (it didn’t work out to his satisfaction there, and he’s still pissed off about it). As I’ve said to you before my interest was piqued with your posts, but you’ve never elaborated. Lastly, did you actually know Ken? Your posts don’t give any clue that you did, so I’m curious.
I'm sure the players are about to rise up and revolt and break the very system paying them hundreds of thousands of dollars that they weren't earning 5 years ago. You're so full of yourself and smug. And clearly, Ordfan.This is why the current college sports financial model is unsustainable. At some point, football and men’s basketball players are going to tire of picking up the check for everyone else.
This has always been the case though imo - I think it's just the nature of college athletics. Nearly every sport at every college across the country loses and has lost money year after year. Football carries and men's basketball, sometimes, does heavy lifting as well. Women's volleyball and women's basketball programs make money too at good programs, but largely run a deficit as well (I believe).
What’s different is the now acute awareness men’s basketball and football players have regarding the revenue and expense information. Some very bright people on the rapidly shrinking periphery of college sports are well into the ears of players to let them know how much leverage they truly have in all of this. A player’s union, collecting bargaining and the perceived threat of a “work” stoppage are all real possibilities on the horizon, which likely will lead to the stability that college sports needs.
Ordfan, just making stuff up again.
FB and MBB players are happy to be making the tons of money they're making right now and don't care about the rest of it.
LOL. Still not Ordman, but this only shows how little you know about college athletics, both historically and in the current environment. To not realize that there are plenty of people in their ears telling why and how they should care about it is pretty amazing, even for you.
“Rise up and revolt”? LOL. Nothing so dramatic or outlandish, but it’s surprising that someone who claims some basic knowledge of college athletics would not understand that revenue sharing among revenue producing sports is a huge issue, and that there’s been talk for years about players banding together to create leverage. It’s hardly a new sentiment, nor is the knowledge or likely impact of the significant imbalance in both the revenues and expenses generated by various sports.
As for Ordman or Ordfan or whomever you claim me to be, I have no idea what that even means. When I’ve asked you previously, you’ve deflected from providing anything specific. Please share your history and help us all understand where you’re coming from here. Another poster made the same accusation, but his background is colored by my time helping to mod the original Peegs board (it didn’t work out to his satisfaction there, and he’s still pissed off about it). As I’ve said to you before my interest was piqued with your posts, but you’ve never elaborated. Lastly, did you actually know Ken? Your posts don’t give any clue that you did, so I’m curious.
Provide me some quotes or even rumors of athletes banding together from FB and MBB to try to get even more money away from the non-revenue sports. I look forward to it.
I met Ken many times. I wouldn't be so braggadocious to say I knew him.
I'm sure the players are about to rise up and revolt and break the very system paying them hundreds of thousands of dollars that they weren't earning 5 years ago. You're so full of yourself and smug. And clearly, Ordfan.This is why the current college sports financial model is unsustainable. At some point, football and men’s basketball players are going to tire of picking up the check for everyone else.
This has always been the case though imo - I think it's just the nature of college athletics. Nearly every sport at every college across the country loses and has lost money year after year. Football carries and men's basketball, sometimes, does heavy lifting as well. Women's volleyball and women's basketball programs make money too at good programs, but largely run a deficit as well (I believe).
What’s different is the now acute awareness men’s basketball and football players have regarding the revenue and expense information. Some very bright people on the rapidly shrinking periphery of college sports are well into the ears of players to let them know how much leverage they truly have in all of this. A player’s union, collecting bargaining and the perceived threat of a “work” stoppage are all real possibilities on the horizon, which likely will lead to the stability that college sports needs.
Ordfan, just making stuff up again.
FB and MBB players are happy to be making the tons of money they're making right now and don't care about the rest of it.
LOL. Still not Ordman, but this only shows how little you know about college athletics, both historically and in the current environment. To not realize that there are plenty of people in their ears telling why and how they should care about it is pretty amazing, even for you.
“Rise up and revolt”? LOL. Nothing so dramatic or outlandish, but it’s surprising that someone who claims some basic knowledge of college athletics would not understand that revenue sharing among revenue producing sports is a huge issue, and that there’s been talk for years about players banding together to create leverage. It’s hardly a new sentiment, nor is the knowledge or likely impact of the significant imbalance in both the revenues and expenses generated by various sports.
As for Ordman or Ordfan or whomever you claim me to be, I have no idea what that even means. When I’ve asked you previously, you’ve deflected from providing anything specific. Please share your history and help us all understand where you’re coming from here. Another poster made the same accusation, but his background is colored by my time helping to mod the original Peegs board (it didn’t work out to his satisfaction there, and he’s still pissed off about it). As I’ve said to you before my interest was piqued with your posts, but you’ve never elaborated. Lastly, did you actually know Ken? Your posts don’t give any clue that you did, so I’m curious.
Provide me some quotes or even rumors of athletes banding together from FB and MBB to try to get even more money away from the non-revenue sports. I look forward to it.
I met Ken many times. I wouldn't be so braggadocious to say I knew him.
Google Ed O’Bannon and Kain Colter. The current state of college athletics began with them, and it’s far from over. To believe that we’re effectively done because of this initial round of revenue sharing is naive. Agents are now actively involved in college sports, and they’re in the ears of players everywhere.
Ken was a good guy, extremely funny, and a loyal friend of Indiana University. He badly wanted to be President but that never worked out. Good man.
Do I believe CBAs are coming? Yes. Is there a movement afoot by players to shut down or even more severely financially hamper non-revenue sports in favor of more resources being given to the Big Two? Won't happen in your lifetime.I'm sure the players are about to rise up and revolt and break the very system paying them hundreds of thousands of dollars that they weren't earning 5 years ago. You're so full of yourself and smug. And clearly, Ordfan.This is why the current college sports financial model is unsustainable. At some point, football and men’s basketball players are going to tire of picking up the check for everyone else.
This has always been the case though imo - I think it's just the nature of college athletics. Nearly every sport at every college across the country loses and has lost money year after year. Football carries and men's basketball, sometimes, does heavy lifting as well. Women's volleyball and women's basketball programs make money too at good programs, but largely run a deficit as well (I believe).
What’s different is the now acute awareness men’s basketball and football players have regarding the revenue and expense information. Some very bright people on the rapidly shrinking periphery of college sports are well into the ears of players to let them know how much leverage they truly have in all of this. A player’s union, collecting bargaining and the perceived threat of a “work” stoppage are all real possibilities on the horizon, which likely will lead to the stability that college sports needs.
Ordfan, just making stuff up again.
FB and MBB players are happy to be making the tons of money they're making right now and don't care about the rest of it.
LOL. Still not Ordman, but this only shows how little you know about college athletics, both historically and in the current environment. To not realize that there are plenty of people in their ears telling why and how they should care about it is pretty amazing, even for you.
“Rise up and revolt”? LOL. Nothing so dramatic or outlandish, but it’s surprising that someone who claims some basic knowledge of college athletics would not understand that revenue sharing among revenue producing sports is a huge issue, and that there’s been talk for years about players banding together to create leverage. It’s hardly a new sentiment, nor is the knowledge or likely impact of the significant imbalance in both the revenues and expenses generated by various sports.
As for Ordman or Ordfan or whomever you claim me to be, I have no idea what that even means. When I’ve asked you previously, you’ve deflected from providing anything specific. Please share your history and help us all understand where you’re coming from here. Another poster made the same accusation, but his background is colored by my time helping to mod the original Peegs board (it didn’t work out to his satisfaction there, and he’s still pissed off about it). As I’ve said to you before my interest was piqued with your posts, but you’ve never elaborated. Lastly, did you actually know Ken? Your posts don’t give any clue that you did, so I’m curious.
Provide me some quotes or even rumors of athletes banding together from FB and MBB to try to get even more money away from the non-revenue sports. I look forward to it.
I met Ken many times. I wouldn't be so braggadocious to say I knew him.
Google Ed O’Bannon and Kain Colter. The current state of college athletics began with them, and it’s far from over. To believe that we’re effectively done because of this initial round of revenue sharing is naive. Agents are now actively involved in college sports, and they’re in the ears of players everywhere.
Ken was a good guy, extremely funny, and a loyal friend of Indiana University. He badly wanted to be President but that never worked out. Good man.
Do I believe CBAs are coming? Yes. Is there a movement afoot by players to shut down or even more severely financially hamper non-revenue sports in favor of more resources being given to the Big Two? Won't happen in your lifetime.I'm sure the players are about to rise up and revolt and break the very system paying them hundreds of thousands of dollars that they weren't earning 5 years ago. You're so full of yourself and smug. And clearly, Ordfan.This is why the current college sports financial model is unsustainable. At some point, football and men’s basketball players are going to tire of picking up the check for everyone else.
This has always been the case though imo - I think it's just the nature of college athletics. Nearly every sport at every college across the country loses and has lost money year after year. Football carries and men's basketball, sometimes, does heavy lifting as well. Women's volleyball and women's basketball programs make money too at good programs, but largely run a deficit as well (I believe).
What’s different is the now acute awareness men’s basketball and football players have regarding the revenue and expense information. Some very bright people on the rapidly shrinking periphery of college sports are well into the ears of players to let them know how much leverage they truly have in all of this. A player’s union, collecting bargaining and the perceived threat of a “work” stoppage are all real possibilities on the horizon, which likely will lead to the stability that college sports needs.
Ordfan, just making stuff up again.
FB and MBB players are happy to be making the tons of money they're making right now and don't care about the rest of it.
LOL. Still not Ordman, but this only shows how little you know about college athletics, both historically and in the current environment. To not realize that there are plenty of people in their ears telling why and how they should care about it is pretty amazing, even for you.
“Rise up and revolt”? LOL. Nothing so dramatic or outlandish, but it’s surprising that someone who claims some basic knowledge of college athletics would not understand that revenue sharing among revenue producing sports is a huge issue, and that there’s been talk for years about players banding together to create leverage. It’s hardly a new sentiment, nor is the knowledge or likely impact of the significant imbalance in both the revenues and expenses generated by various sports.
As for Ordman or Ordfan or whomever you claim me to be, I have no idea what that even means. When I’ve asked you previously, you’ve deflected from providing anything specific. Please share your history and help us all understand where you’re coming from here. Another poster made the same accusation, but his background is colored by my time helping to mod the original Peegs board (it didn’t work out to his satisfaction there, and he’s still pissed off about it). As I’ve said to you before my interest was piqued with your posts, but you’ve never elaborated. Lastly, did you actually know Ken? Your posts don’t give any clue that you did, so I’m curious.
Provide me some quotes or even rumors of athletes banding together from FB and MBB to try to get even more money away from the non-revenue sports. I look forward to it.
I met Ken many times. I wouldn't be so braggadocious to say I knew him.
Google Ed O’Bannon and Kain Colter. The current state of college athletics began with them, and it’s far from over. To believe that we’re effectively done because of this initial round of revenue sharing is naive. Agents are now actively involved in college sports, and they’re in the ears of players everywhere.
Ken was a good guy, extremely funny, and a loyal friend of Indiana University. He badly wanted to be President but that never worked out. Good man.
So, “tiring of picking up the check for everyone else” has been converted by you to “shut down or even more severely financially hamper non-revenue sports in favor of more resources being given to the Big Two” . . . That’s a pretty big leap, even by you. Embrace what you will, but I can tell you that athletic administrators and others connected to college athletics don’t share your view of relative tranquility for the long haul. Far from it, actually.
Tranquility? Did I mention or describe tranquility?Do I believe CBAs are coming? Yes. Is there a movement afoot by players to shut down or even more severely financially hamper non-revenue sports in favor of more resources being given to the Big Two? Won't happen in your lifetime.I'm sure the players are about to rise up and revolt and break the very system paying them hundreds of thousands of dollars that they weren't earning 5 years ago. You're so full of yourself and smug. And clearly, Ordfan.This is why the current college sports financial model is unsustainable. At some point, football and men’s basketball players are going to tire of picking up the check for everyone else.
This has always been the case though imo - I think it's just the nature of college athletics. Nearly every sport at every college across the country loses and has lost money year after year. Football carries and men's basketball, sometimes, does heavy lifting as well. Women's volleyball and women's basketball programs make money too at good programs, but largely run a deficit as well (I believe).
What’s different is the now acute awareness men’s basketball and football players have regarding the revenue and expense information. Some very bright people on the rapidly shrinking periphery of college sports are well into the ears of players to let them know how much leverage they truly have in all of this. A player’s union, collecting bargaining and the perceived threat of a “work” stoppage are all real possibilities on the horizon, which likely will lead to the stability that college sports needs.
Ordfan, just making stuff up again.
FB and MBB players are happy to be making the tons of money they're making right now and don't care about the rest of it.
LOL. Still not Ordman, but this only shows how little you know about college athletics, both historically and in the current environment. To not realize that there are plenty of people in their ears telling why and how they should care about it is pretty amazing, even for you.
“Rise up and revolt”? LOL. Nothing so dramatic or outlandish, but it’s surprising that someone who claims some basic knowledge of college athletics would not understand that revenue sharing among revenue producing sports is a huge issue, and that there’s been talk for years about players banding together to create leverage. It’s hardly a new sentiment, nor is the knowledge or likely impact of the significant imbalance in both the revenues and expenses generated by various sports.
As for Ordman or Ordfan or whomever you claim me to be, I have no idea what that even means. When I’ve asked you previously, you’ve deflected from providing anything specific. Please share your history and help us all understand where you’re coming from here. Another poster made the same accusation, but his background is colored by my time helping to mod the original Peegs board (it didn’t work out to his satisfaction there, and he’s still pissed off about it). As I’ve said to you before my interest was piqued with your posts, but you’ve never elaborated. Lastly, did you actually know Ken? Your posts don’t give any clue that you did, so I’m curious.
Provide me some quotes or even rumors of athletes banding together from FB and MBB to try to get even more money away from the non-revenue sports. I look forward to it.
I met Ken many times. I wouldn't be so braggadocious to say I knew him.
Google Ed O’Bannon and Kain Colter. The current state of college athletics began with them, and it’s far from over. To believe that we’re effectively done because of this initial round of revenue sharing is naive. Agents are now actively involved in college sports, and they’re in the ears of players everywhere.
Ken was a good guy, extremely funny, and a loyal friend of Indiana University. He badly wanted to be President but that never worked out. Good man.
So, “tiring of picking up the check for everyone else” has been converted by you to “shut down or even more severely financially hamper non-revenue sports in favor of more resources being given to the Big Two” . . . That’s a pretty big leap, even by you. Embrace what you will, but I can tell you that athletic administrators and others connected to college athletics don’t share your view of relative tranquility for the long haul. Far from it, actually.
No. But the lack of tranquility won't be related to a player-lead movement to reduce the amount of money their non-revenue counterparts get so that they can get more.
Will you morons learn to trim your quotes?
Tranquility? Did I mention or describe tranquility?Do I believe CBAs are coming? Yes. Is there a movement afoot by players to shut down or even more severely financially hamper non-revenue sports in favor of more resources being given to the Big Two? Won't happen in your lifetime.I'm sure the players are about to rise up and revolt and break the very system paying them hundreds of thousands of dollars that they weren't earning 5 years ago. You're so full of yourself and smug. And clearly, Ordfan.This is why the current college sports financial model is unsustainable. At some point, football and men’s basketball players are going to tire of picking up the check for everyone else.
This has always been the case though imo - I think it's just the nature of college athletics. Nearly every sport at every college across the country loses and has lost money year after year. Football carries and men's basketball, sometimes, does heavy lifting as well. Women's volleyball and women's basketball programs make money too at good programs, but largely run a deficit as well (I believe).
What’s different is the now acute awareness men’s basketball and football players have regarding the revenue and expense information. Some very bright people on the rapidly shrinking periphery of college sports are well into the ears of players to let them know how much leverage they truly have in all of this. A player’s union, collecting bargaining and the perceived threat of a “work” stoppage are all real possibilities on the horizon, which likely will lead to the stability that college sports needs.
Ordfan, just making stuff up again.
FB and MBB players are happy to be making the tons of money they're making right now and don't care about the rest of it.
LOL. Still not Ordman, but this only shows how little you know about college athletics, both historically and in the current environment. To not realize that there are plenty of people in their ears telling why and how they should care about it is pretty amazing, even for you.
“Rise up and revolt”? LOL. Nothing so dramatic or outlandish, but it’s surprising that someone who claims some basic knowledge of college athletics would not understand that revenue sharing among revenue producing sports is a huge issue, and that there’s been talk for years about players banding together to create leverage. It’s hardly a new sentiment, nor is the knowledge or likely impact of the significant imbalance in both the revenues and expenses generated by various sports.
As for Ordman or Ordfan or whomever you claim me to be, I have no idea what that even means. When I’ve asked you previously, you’ve deflected from providing anything specific. Please share your history and help us all understand where you’re coming from here. Another poster made the same accusation, but his background is colored by my time helping to mod the original Peegs board (it didn’t work out to his satisfaction there, and he’s still pissed off about it). As I’ve said to you before my interest was piqued with your posts, but you’ve never elaborated. Lastly, did you actually know Ken? Your posts don’t give any clue that you did, so I’m curious.
Provide me some quotes or even rumors of athletes banding together from FB and MBB to try to get even more money away from the non-revenue sports. I look forward to it.
I met Ken many times. I wouldn't be so braggadocious to say I knew him.
Google Ed O’Bannon and Kain Colter. The current state of college athletics began with them, and it’s far from over. To believe that we’re effectively done because of this initial round of revenue sharing is naive. Agents are now actively involved in college sports, and they’re in the ears of players everywhere.
Ken was a good guy, extremely funny, and a loyal friend of Indiana University. He badly wanted to be President but that never worked out. Good man.
So, “tiring of picking up the check for everyone else” has been converted by you to “shut down or even more severely financially hamper non-revenue sports in favor of more resources being given to the Big Two” . . . That’s a pretty big leap, even by you. Embrace what you will, but I can tell you that athletic administrators and others connected to college athletics don’t share your view of relative tranquility for the long haul. Far from it, actually.
No. But the lack of tranquility won't be related to a player-lead movement to reduce the amount of money their non-revenue counterparts get so that they can get more.
Right now, the movement is in the form of schools looking to cut back on or eliminate “non-revenue” sports. It’s been happening at a number of universities, especially those below the P4, where television rights contracts provide some insulation. The financial pressure of distributing revenue to student-athletes will only make that more pronounced. And I can assure you that the agent community that is now actively involved in negotiating NIL deals for players are telling them that their real strength is in banding together to get an even greater share of the pie. One of the main arguments is that two sports are paying for the other 22 or so on campus, and that the money to do this is coming out of the player’s pockets.
@jackskip23 I'm not so sure this is actually the case. Only a relatively small percentage of athletics programs generate enough revenue to cover costs. The revenue line looks great in a vacuum, throw in expenses and it's a different picture. What's the surplus? Is there one? That's the salient question. And do schools really want their student-athletes as employees, subject to all of the Federal laws that implicates? U of Utah I believe it was is getting private equity money for sports. Is that remotely in keeping with the mission of a university? And while the revenue sports, which again is a term that alone means very little, boast of their status they shouldn't be too quick to disparage nonrev sports. Non rev sports typically have higher graduation rates, students still paying for housing and partial tuition, and more applicants.
The system as it stands in 2026 is untenable and things are only getting worse.
@jackskip23 I'm not so sure this is actually the case. Only a relatively small percentage of athletics programs generate enough revenue to cover costs. The revenue line looks great in a vacuum, throw in expenses and it's a different picture. What's the surplus? Is there one? That's the salient question. And do schools really want their student-athletes as employees, subject to all of the Federal laws that implicates? U of Utah I believe it was is getting private equity money for sports. Is that remotely in keeping with the mission of a university? And while the revenue sports, which again is a term that alone means very little, boast of their status they shouldn't be too quick to disparage nonrev sports. Non rev sports typically have higher graduation rates, students still paying for housing and partial tuition, and more applicants.
The system as it stands in 2026 is untenable and things are only getting worse.
Not sure where it stands currently but I know the Big Ten has been exploring a PE opportunity for some time.
Yep. 🙄... Not sure where it stands currently but I know the Big Ten has been exploring a PE opportunity for some time.
Please Lord, save our ADs and Presidents, and boards, from themselves.
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