Your position is sort of one that is an issue in society these days. You make up your mind about something, but when additional facts or evidence are introduced or additional knowledge is available, you just dig in your heels rather than evaluate fairly.
You continue to use language that suggests Michigan or the Big Ten acted in an unsavory way and that they actually TRIED to rig the game. There's literally no proof whatsoever that is the case. But 'trust me bro'. You've apparently not read/learned (or just willfully ignored) the information about the Big Ten using Hawkeye Technology and the fact that it's a more accurate synch of the scoreboard than what the broadcasters use.
Here's some more, if you care to read it. I put in red the stuff that I think directly refutes your take on things, to make it easier to digest.
Terry McAulay — former major-college referee
McAulay is probably the most important comparison because he isn't simply a TV personality. Before becoming NBC's rules analyst, he was a longtime major-college and NFL official/referee.
He was actually on the NBC broadcast Saturday night. His immediate reaction was that he couldn't reconcile the ruling with NBC's replay:
“The ball isn't even close to touching a player when it goes to zero.”
He said NBC's producer had told him the inset clock they were looking at was synchronized to the stadium clock. He therefore said he didn't understand how Hawk-Eye could produce :01 assuming NBC's clock was correct.
But notice what McAulay didn't say.
He did not say, “The Big Ten violated NCAA replay protocol because we're required to use the television feed.”
Instead, he explicitly entertained the possibility that the Big Ten's Hawk-Eye system had a different synchronization. Football Zebras' detailed account says:
“The replay command center has a direct source for the official time that does not rely on the network.”
It describes Hawk-Eye as timecoding the game clock with all replay angles and says the network depiction can be used as a fallback if the encoded time fails.
That's difficult to square with a categorical interpretation of Pereira's statement that NCAA replay officials must defer to the television video whenever the two disagree.
Football Zebras obtained information directly from someone familiar with Big Ten replay operations
This isn't a former referee speaking publicly under his name, so I would give it less evidentiary weight than Pereira or McAulay. But it's directly relevant to your protocol question.
A source familiar with Big Ten replay operations told Football Zebras:
“The command center has a sync of the film with the game clock.”
The source said the replay crew needed a clear view of the ball contacting the defender with :01 showing. Football Zebras also reports that two technicians check the replay angles and timecoding at least twice per game.
That sounds very much like the Big Ten personnel believed the Hawk-Eye synchronized game-clock feed was a legitimate replay source—not something they were prohibited from using whenever it differed from NBC.
USA Today interviewed current college officials and an officiating supervisor
This may be the most useful material I found for your question.
John Brice interviewed multiple people involved in college officiating. One current official, described as having about a decade of college experience, said:
“Replay has the play-clock superimposed on the replay screen.”
Another official told him:
“This has happened several times. The TV is not always correct with the actual clock.”
And an officiating supervisor explained that the replay center receives extensive synchronized material and can align the play to determine precisely when the player became out of bounds and touched the ball.
That is significant because these are people actually working in college officiating, and none of them apparently told USA Today that the established procedure required throwing out the replay-center clock and accepting NBC's clock.
Quite the opposite: “The TV is not always correct with the actual clock” suggests that discrepancies are known to occur.
So was Pereira right about an existing NCAA protocol?
I'd separate this into two levels of confidence.
Pereira is clearly vindicated about what the NCAA wants officials to do going forward. The new NCAA memo essentially prescribes the methodology he was describing: use the clock embedded in the program feed for replay timing decisions.
But Pereira's broad formulation—“that's the protocol” throughout NCAA football—has not been independently established. The published NCAA Instant Replay Case Book doesn't say it. As you noticed, its examples instead repeatedly refer to what “the game clock superimposed on the replay monitor” shows. For example, Case 149 says replay should determine expiration based on the game clock superimposed on the replay monitor.
@gros-louis Unsavory is the perfect word. That's why the protocol is to use the clock from the TV feed, to eliminate the appearance of unsavoriness and cheating, rather than rolling out a back-office "secret" system from the home team and conference that benefits them from changing the called result. I have no problem with the Hawkeye technology or any one they determine produces a better result. And once they have tested and established that, and it's implemented nationwide and used in the stadiums and synched to the TV, then that's the one we should be using.
The best analogy I can think of is the computer generated graphic showing a tennis ball in or out on a line call. They tested it, decided it was better and then rolled it out once it could be shown on TV for all to see. Now it's an accepted and trusted method. Rafael Nadal didn't lose a match, and then the chair umpire says wait a second, and they huddle and say "we've got this great new line technology" and trust us, that ball was in. Play on. Baseball's implemented a similar system with called balls and strikes now. But, they didn't call timeout and reverse a Yankees loss and say, "see, this is better!".
@gros-louis Unsavory is the perfect word. That's why the protocol is to use the clock from the TV feed, to eliminate the appearance of unsavoriness and cheating, rather than rolling out a back-office "secret" system from the home team and conference that benefits them from changing the called result. I have no problem with the Hawkeye technology or any one they determine produces a better result. And once they have tested and established that, and it's implemented nationwide and used in the stadiums and synched to the TV, then that's the one we should be using.
The best analogy I can think of is the computer generated graphic showing a tennis ball in or out on a line call. They tested it, decided it was better and then rolled it out once it could be shown on TV for all to see. Now it's an accepted and trusted method. Rafael Nadal didn't lose a match, and then the chair umpire says wait a second, and they huddle and say "we've got this great new line technology" and trust us, that ball was in. Play on. Baseball's implemented a similar system with called balls and strikes now. But, they didn't call timeout and reverse a Yankees loss and say, "see, this is better!".
conspiracy or not.....western michigan got screwed
end of story, time to move on
and go sooners!
Western wouldn't have gotten the same treatment. No matter which officials swear up and down they would've initiated the same review for Western.
That's what makes it unfair.
But, knock down the second Hail Mary. Or score more than 12. Nobody to blame but themselves choking it away.
Western wouldn't have gotten the same treatment. No matter which officials swear up and down they would've initiated the same review for Western.
That's what makes it unfair.
But, knock down the second Hail Mary. Or score more than 12. Nobody to blame but themselves choking it away.
never leave the game in the hands of the officials
Nobody to blame but themselves choking it away.
Yes, that MAC school has nobody to blame but themselves for not knocking down the second Hail Mary after everyone thought time had expired. What a freaking choke job. I hope they fire their coach for having them so unprepared for a game against Michigan. They were probably looking past them, since they've got perennial powerhouse Monmouth this weekend and probably made it tough to focus on the Wolverines.
Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan.
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They lost.
Get over it.
They weren't screwed. They lost. I didn't say they were supposed to win, apparently that's your take. I do say failing to bat down hail mary's is a bit of a choke job. Happens.
They can blame themselves. Every play has a life and history of it's own. 9+1 seconds at a time.
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They lost.
Get over it.
They weren't screwed. They lost. I didn't say they were supposed to win, apparently that's your take. I do say failing to bat down hail mary's is a bit of a choke job. Happens.
They can blame themselves. Every play has a life and history of it's own. 9+1 seconds at a time.
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I never said they were screwed. I've only said the situation was effed up. I'm making light of you saying an underdog who had no business being in the game choked it away. So right back atcha:
They lost. Get over it.
Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan.
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Yeah, I get it now. I guess that one is on me, lol. 😆I never said they were screwed. I've only said the situation was effed up. I'm making light of you saying an underdog who had no business being in the game choked it away. So right back atcha:
They lost. Get over it.