After that run and taking over postseason games, I’m done worrying about attendance.
@jackskip23 Yes sir! That old SB St. Joe HD team with Laz, Abby and coach Donewald.
@gros-louis I think IU sucking plays a bigger role than you're recognizing. I bet a strong season and F4 run would perk up your interest.
@kkott 100%. There are no excuses for not being strong in both sports. We finally got it right in football and we should remain a contender as long as Cig is around. He'll set the program up to land a great successor and we should be able to keep rolling along. That's my hope.
Hoops needs to get back to the big time as well. I still can't get over the fact that we had our chance 2 years ago. All we had to do was dump Woody and hire Dusty. We'd be dominant in both sports. But that ship has sailed. The Devries era is not starting off great, but he didn't have anything to work with after the Woodson era. He needs to get things turned around quickly and it starts with recruiting some damn big guys! It's obvious he can recruit shooters/wings/guards, but can he get some big men? He's gonna have to rebuild again next year as we're losing most of the guys who transferred in. Hopefully he can round out a strong recruiting class and hit the portal hard.
But it doesn't explain why I don't enjoy watching Duke, UCONN, Michigan, St. Johns, Arizona, Michigan State, etc. When we were bad under Archie, I could easily compartmentalize and still stay tuned into the overall MBB season. Now, I've barely watched 3-4 non-IU games all year and have missed more IU games than ever.@gros-louis I think IU sucking plays a bigger role than you're recognizing. I bet a strong season and F4 run would perk up your interest.
Both.
Whitten was saying that football generates 75% of the revenue comes from football. I'm hoping that revenue will translate to better things of bball. If the fball team is getting $14M of NIL, the bball team should be getting $7-$8. I don't think this team is well funded. It seams like this team is comprised of about 4 high P4 players. Since Coach Knight was fired, there's always been this conversation about the AD being in the red. That should change. DD is going to have to rub elbows with the Cook's.
I love college football, and am admittedly a recent bandwagon fan, as in, from the time they hired Cignetti. But, hurts my heart as a Hoosier to hear fans dismissing bball. There's no reason we can't be good at both and having a great football program, makes that far more likely than the reverse. My hope is that football drags bball up to it's standard and provides some of the resources to get us there. Basketball is in our DNA and I hope is always near and dear to the heart of Hoosiers. For a long time we had elite bball, soccer and swimming programs, so I see no reason they can't enhance each others success.
I don't even enjoy the sport of college basketball anymore. It's a rough watch. All ball screens. Horrible officiating. It's not the sport i grew up watching and I don't really care much about it any longer. I'm sure IU sucking ass for the past decade plays a role in that, but I just have little urge to care about the sport in general.
I know exactly how you feel... I had to stop watching the NBA in the early '90s because of all of the reasons you mentioned. Sadly, over the last 8-10 years college ball has evolved into the NBA style of play which to me is not basketball as it's meant to be played. I'm probably one of the few people in Indiana who has not watched more than 10 minutes of any NBA game in the last 25 years... that includes the Pacer in the final championship game....Other than the occasional IU game I don't watch basketball at all.
But, to be honest, for as long as I can remember I have always been an IU football first guy (and with a bullet) ... and I can remember clearly back to 1961 or '62 seasons.
Both.
Whitten was saying that football generates 75% of the revenue comes from football. I'm hoping that revenue will translate to better things of bball. If the fball team is getting $14M of NIL, the bball team should be getting $7-$8. I don't think this team is well funded. It seams like this team is comprised of about 4 high P4 players. Since Coach Knight was fired, there's always been this conversation about the AD being in the red. That should change. DD is going to have to rub elbows with the Cook's.
I dunno, IUBB got around $10M total rev share and NIL for the roster, which is somewhere around #15 in the country. We didn’t spend it very well. We also have a large staff budget, and we may not have spent that too well either.
Not sure money is the biggest issue with IUBB right now. Just have to hope CDD figures it out at this point.
I was just thinking, not really up on our facilities, other than seeing images posted as cool stuff gets done.
Who was the first coach who really had the infrastructure to win here? Seems the large investment really got rolling early 2010s, 2011? I know we had the Mellencamp building far longer and still using it. When was the expansion remodel of the weight room completed? What is that like and the film rooms like compared to Wilson's last couple years?
NIL has been incredibly helpful to break out of the trouble with recruiting when don't have the 'big name'. But still, the investments were made with the idea of being able to recruit. And that idea predates NIL.
I love college football, and am admittedly a recent bandwagon fan, as in, from the time they hired Cignetti. But, hurts my heart as a Hoosier to hear fans dismissing bball. There's no reason we can't be good at both and having a great football program, makes that far more likely than the reverse. My hope is that football drags bball up to it's standard and provides some of the resources to get us there. Basketball is in our DNA and I hope is always near and dear to the heart of Hoosiers. For a long time we had elite bball, soccer and swimming programs, so I see no reason they can't enhance each others success.
I don't even enjoy the sport of college basketball anymore. It's a rough watch. All ball screens. Horrible officiating. It's not the sport i grew up watching and I don't really care much about it any longer. I'm sure IU sucking ass for the past decade plays a role in that, but I just have little urge to care about the sport in general.
Basketball is my favorite sport and college basketball is unwatchable.
I graduated from Goshen High School. It now seems like something from the movie Hoosiers the way we'd look with awe at those basketball teams pictures and box scores on the walls and in the trophy case. I graduated in 82 so none of us knew Ritter or the teams that - still one class basketball - won sectionals and, wow, big time was winning regional! So we'd ask the teachers about the teams and what we read and talk about how Ritter played for Bob Knight. Other great players.
In a nod to the current Indiana situation, it was so cool when our football team got good under Coach Ken Mirer and after a couple years of tough losses in the playoffs went to the state finals in 4A. Lost, but... 5 years or so later (next coach, as Ken had moved on, was said didn't want to coach his son in HS) they did win state with Rick Mirer as QB. Basketball was still decent, but we had a lot of pride in the football team. Basketball was no longer the only thing.
Love IUBB even took Knights coaching class but the game is now all 3s. College basketball has passed me by. Now get off my lawn.
Us older folks fell in love with IU basketball under Knight, but that love has eroded this century. And Cig is now a legend, just like BK, so basketball is going to play second fiddle for the foreseeable future.
Last season, I think the "IU is a football school" stuff was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Now it's a fact.
Football is the golden goose. We were ignoring it for far too long. We've struck the mother lode with Cig. We need to keep it flourishing, that will allow for the other sports to follow. Especially men's basketball... no reason we cannot and shouldn't be a force to be reckoned with in both sports. I love both sports. My heart, as far as it comes to IU , is still with basketball. Just from years of investing in the program. Having enjoyed the Knight years it's hard to just toss that association away. But the football success and basketball abominations are making it easier and easier with each passing day to switch that feeling. But again we can and should be in the conversation going forward in both sports.
I had to stop watching the NBA in the early '90s because of all of the reasons you mentioned.
The style of play in the NBA > college bball. They often still only go about 85% in the regular season due to all the games, but the skill level top to bottom is freakish right now. They move the ball amazingly well and find the open man. It's not the boring 1 on 1 stuff anymore. I just don't care about any NBA teams, but the skill level is the highest it's ever been imo, and I can get interested if I just turn it on.